England v South Africa



  • England starting XV

    15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 21 caps), 14 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 26 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 13 caps), 12 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 13 caps), 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 37 caps), 10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 61 caps) co-captain, 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 77 caps), 1 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 2 caps), 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 93 caps) co-captain, 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 13 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 22 caps), 5 George Kruis (Saracens, 25 caps), 6 Brad Shields (Wasps, 2 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 4 caps), 8 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 4 caps).

    Finishers
    16 Jamie George (Saracens, 28 caps), 17 Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 11 caps), 19 Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 6 caps) , 20 Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby, uncapped), 21 Danny Care (Harlequins, 81 caps), 22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 47 caps), 23 Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 26 caps).



  • That's a solid looking team with a Plan B bench.

    Will be interesting to see the SA side.



  • Strong looking England front five and backline. Experimental backrow. I think Itoje with play 6 against the All Blacks.



  • Springboks (in order of name, surname, province, Test caps, Test points):

    15 Damian Willemse (DHL Western Province, 3, 0)
    14 Sbu Nkosi (Cell C Sharks, 3, 10 - 2t)
    13 Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 36, 50 - 10t)
    12 Damian de Allende (DHL Western Province, 33, 20 - 4t)
    11 Aphiwe Dyantyi (Xerox Golden Lions, 9, 30 - 6t)
    10 Handré Pollard (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 35, 293 - 3t, 55c, 53p, 3d)
    9 Ivan van Zyl (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 3, 0)
    8 Warren Whiteley (Xerox Golden Lions , 21, 15 - 3t)
    7 Duane Vermeulen (Kubota Spears, Japan, 42, 15 - 3t)
    6 Siya Kolisi (captain, DHL Western Province, 37, 25 - 5t)
    5 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Western Province, 42, 20 - 4t)
    4 Eben Etzebeth (DHL Western Province, 73, 15 - 3t)
    3 Frans Malherbe (DHL Western Province, 25, 0)
    2 Malcolm Marx (Xerox Golden Lions, 20, 20 - 4t)
    1 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Western Province, 33, 5 - 1t)

    Replacements:
    16 Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Western Province, 10 - 2t)
    17 Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 5, 0)
    18 Wilco Louw (DHL Western Province, 11, 0)
    19 RG Snyman (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 8, 0)
    20 Lood de Jager (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 36, 20 - 4t)
    21 Embrose Papier (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 4, 0)
    22 Elton Jantjies (Xerox Golden Lions, 29, 223 - 2t, 42c, 43p)
    23 André Esterhuizen (Cell C Sharks, 5, 0)

    http://www.sarugby.co.za/article.aspx?category=sarugby/springboks&id=4418804



  • Even missing Willie Le Roux and Faf De Klerk that is a strong-looking Boks team.



  • That England forward pack should get eaten up by the Bok eight.



  • @akan004 said in England v South Africa:

    That England forward pack should get eaten up by the Bok eight.

    Will certainly be a tough test for England's new back row. Will be some bruises to wear before facing us.

    I also suspect that Itoje may go missing in the tight once he gets smashed by the big Saffas a few times.



  • This could go either way but if SA believe they can go 3-1 versus England in 2018



  • Yeah that forward pack is going to take England to the cleaners.



  • @crucial Don't know much about the English loosehead prop but Kyle Sinckler is one of the weakest scrummaging tightheads around. The only question is whether or not the Boks can lift against a team that is not wearing black, if they can then I think they should have too much for this English team.



  • @akan004 said in England v South Africa:

    @crucial Don't know much about the English loosehead prop but Kyle Sinckler is one of the weakest scrummaging tightheads around. The only question is whether or not the Boks can lift against a team that is not wearing black, if they can then I think they should have too much against this English team.

    Alec Hepburn does not look your archetypal loosehead, he looks a bit lightweight, however if his stats on the Exeter Chiefs website are to be believed he's no midget at 6'1" and 17 plus stone. Maybe he gets measured by the same guy that does Ardie Savea?

    He's probably the favoured loosehead at Exeter and rarely does it seem that he's a weak scrimmaging link and he gets about the park and carries well. He's now played at under 20 and senior level for England despite being born in Australia. not sure how he qualifies, parents or Grandparents I guess.

    Edit: Qualifies through his English father, apparently took up rugby at school in England and played county level under 17s.



  • @catogrande said in England v South Africa:

    @akan004 said in England v South Africa:

    @crucial Don't know much about the English loosehead prop but Kyle Sinckler is one of the weakest scrummaging tightheads around. The only question is whether or not the Boks can lift against a team that is not wearing black, if they can then I think they should have too much against this English team.

    Alec Hepburn does not look your archetypal loosehead, he looks a bit lightweight, however if his stats on the Exeter Chiefs website are to be believed he's no midget at 6'1" and 17 plus stone. Maybe he gets measured by the same guy that does Ardie Savea?

    If that's the case he must be about 5'2" to start with



  • I'm always confused about the racial requirements of the boks. It's always in the news, 50% for rwc and 45% now. But that team has only a handful of players of colour. So they make these rules and just ignore them?

    This will be a tight game, England b vs the boks minus their most important current player. As mentioned above, are the boks up for a non ABs game?



  • 2 locks on the bench for Boks. Interesting.



  • @rapido said in England v South Africa:

    2 locks on the bench for Boks. Interesting.

    lock will be the weak point for England as the game goes on. Could be a clever strategy.



  • @rapido said in England v South Africa:

    2 locks on the bench for Boks. Interesting.

    Pieter Steph du Toit will most likely be shifted to no. 7 (in your speak = no.6) at some point.
    My guess is in place of Whitely with Duane moving to 8.

    So likely subbed off will be Whitely for Lood de Jager(50min) and Etzebeth for RG Snyman(65min)...

    I am guessing from all of the above that Rassie is expecting a heavy slow paddock requiring lots of grunt up front.





  • @stargazer said in England v South Africa:

    He is fucking cursed. Poor bastard.



  • Jeez base an entire backline around the dreams of one guy and he keeps getting injured. Eddie must be spitting tacks.



  • England by 3.