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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

      ABs locks availablity post RWC:

      Available for the ABs in 2020: Whitelock, Barrett and Tuipulotu (signed, but not available: Retallick)
      Available for the ABs in 2021: Whitelock, Retallick

      Not yet signed for 2021: Barrett and Tuipulotu

      The ABs selectors will be looking for one or two other locks post RWC. Who are the candidates?

      List of locks currently signed to NZ franchises (incl contract duration as far as known):

      • Michael Allardice (Chiefs, 2020)
      • James Blackwell (Hurricanes, 2021)
      • Gerard Cowley-Tuioti (Blues, 2019)
      • Geoff Cridge (Hurricanes, 2019)
      • Josh Dickson (Highlanders, ?)
      • Mitchell Dunshea (Crusaders, 2020)
      • Josh Goodhue (Blues, 2020?)
      • Fin Hoeata (Chiefs, 2019?)
      • Laghlan McWhannell (Chiefs, ?)
      • Kane Leaupepe (Hurricanes, 2021)
      • Liam Mitchell (Hurricanes, 2021)
      • Pari Pari Parkinson (Highlanders, 2019)
      • Jacob Pierce (Blues, ?)
      • Luke Romano (Crusaders, 2019?)
      • Scot Scrafton (Blues, 2019 - unofficial: signed with Canes)
      • Quinten Strange (Crusaders, 2021)
      • Isaia Walker-Leawere (Hurricanes, ?)
      • Jack Whetton (Highlanders, ?)

      Lock/loosies:

      • Vaea Fifita (Hurricanes, 2020)
      • Jesse Parete (Chiefs, 2019?)
      • Tom Robinson (Blues, 2021)
      • Taleni Seu (Chiefs, 2019) - is he NZ eligible?
      • Jimmy Tupou (Blues, 2019)

      Leaving after the RWC:

      • Tom Franklin (has been in the ABs set-up; is still signed with Kobelco Steelers, but not confirmed that he won't return to NZ)
      • Jackson Hemopo (Highlanders)
      • Sam Lousi (Hurricanes)

      IMO it's too soon to look at the current NZ U20s locks.

      It's easy to scratch a lot of names from the list, as most of them are clearly not ABs material.

      Names that have been mentioned as possible future ABs:

      • Quinten Strange (not on this year's form, but has potential)
      • Pari Pari Parkinson
      • Isaia Walker-Leawere

      Add to that an aging Luke Romano, who has more than proven himself, but will he continue playing post RWC?
      And Vaea Fifita, who is already an AB, but used as loosie.

      Possibly:

      • Tom Robinson, but should first prove himself as a lock for the Blues.
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      • Yeetyaah
        Yeetyaah last edited by

        I'll give my opinion on a few of them based on what I have seen.

        Michael Allardice - Average

        Mitchell Dunshea - Looks good and will only get better in the Crusaders

        Tom Franklin - Good player, I like his style and mostly consistent.

        Josh Goodhue - Average. Could do better at another franchise but would benefit from more game time.

        Laghlan McWhannell - Looked good at NPC level. Needs game time at Super level.

        Pari Pari Parkinson - Massive unit. Hopefully develops well. Needs more game time.

        Luke Romano - Consistent performer. A good option.

        Scot Scrafton - Will benefit with the (rumoured) team change. Looks good though.

        Isaia Walker-Leawere - Decent player. Maybe not big enough?

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        • Bones
          Bones @Yeetyaah last edited by

          @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

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          • Chris
            Chris last edited by Chris

            Tom Franklin going to Japan 2020 and beyond the article from Otago Times names all the Highlanders players leaving

            [link text](link url)https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/highlanders/influx-new-players-needed-replace-those-leaving

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            • Stargazer
              Stargazer @Chris last edited by

              @Chris There are a lot of assumptions in that article.

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              • Chris
                Chris @Stargazer last edited by Chris

                @Stargazer Yeah Sure but I hear he's off to Japan from a few sources in this article as well
                [link text](link url)https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/highlanders/departed-highlanders-losing-key-players

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                • Stargazer
                  Stargazer @Chris last edited by

                  @Chris Yeah, I just read it in an other article from the ODT. I'll edit the list in my first post.

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                  • Frank
                    Frank last edited by

                    Outside of Retallick and Whitelock do we have any potentially world-class locks coming through?

                    It seems -
                    Either too light or short for internationals.
                    Or big enough (but not workrate, mobility or skills not up to standard)

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                    • C
                      cgrant @Yeetyaah last edited by

                      @Yeetyaah said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                      I'll give my opinion on a few of them based on what I have seen.

                      Michael Allardice - Average

                      Mitchell Dunshea - Looks good and will only get better in the Crusaders

                      Tom Franklin - Good player, I like his style and mostly consistent.

                      Josh Goodhue - Average. Could do better at another franchise but would benefit from more game time.

                      Laghlan McWhannell - Looked good at NPC level. Needs game time at Super level.

                      Pari Pari Parkinson - Massive unit. Hopefully develops well. Needs more game time.

                      Luke Romano - Consistent performer. A good option.

                      Scot Scrafton - Will benefit with the (rumoured) team change. Looks good though.

                      Isaia Walker-Leawere - Decent player. Maybe not big enough?

                      The latter is 1.97m / 128 kg so I would rather ask "Maybe not tall enough ?"

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                      • Yeetyaah
                        Yeetyaah @cgrant last edited by

                        @cgrant That's what I meant but sure.

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                        • shark
                          shark @Bones last edited by

                          @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                          @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                          Franklin is listed at 1.99m

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                          • shark
                            shark last edited by

                            I’ve got time for Parkinson of all the up and comers. I’d like to see Strange bulk out a little bit more. Definitely bigger than his first Crusaders year, but a bit narrow or something.

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                            • MN5
                              MN5 @shark last edited by

                              @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                              @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                              @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                              Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                              shark you've been around the fern long enough to know "listed" heights are quite often plucked out of someones arse.

                              Daniel Braid and Jerome Kaino definitely stood on bricks when they were measured.

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                              • shark
                                shark @MN5 last edited by

                                @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                shark you've been around the fern long enough to know "listed" heights are quite often plucked out of someones arse.

                                Daniel Braid and Jerome Kaino definitely stood on bricks when they were measured.

                                The Highlanders list him at 2m. Wikipedia at 1.99m. All Blacks.com at 1.97. So I’ll defer to the median.

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                                • MN5
                                  MN5 @shark last edited by

                                  @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                  @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                  @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                  @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                  Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                  shark you've been around the fern long enough to know "listed" heights are quite often plucked out of someones arse.

                                  Daniel Braid and Jerome Kaino definitely stood on bricks when they were measured.

                                  The Highlanders list him at 2m. Wikipedia at 1.99m. All Blacks.com at 1.97. So I’ll defer to the median.

                                  True, they're not all Robert Wadlows.

                                  We all tend to slouch late in the day.

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                                  • Bones
                                    Bones @shark last edited by

                                    @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                    @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                    @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                    Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                    Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.

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                                    • shark
                                      shark @Bones last edited by

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                      @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                      @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                      Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                      Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.

                                      I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.

                                      In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.

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                                      • MN5
                                        MN5 @shark last edited by

                                        @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                        @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                        @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                        Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                        Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.

                                        I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.

                                        In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.

                                        If they win the lineout then who cares ?

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                                        • Bones
                                          Bones @shark last edited by

                                          @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

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                                          • shark
                                            shark @Bones last edited by

                                            @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                            @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                            If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?

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                                            • MN5
                                              MN5 @shark last edited by

                                              @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                              @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                              @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                              If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?

                                              Cos a good big guy is always better than a good little guy.......

                                              unless it comes to painting bottom skirting boards.

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                                              • Billy Tell
                                                Billy Tell @MN5 last edited by

                                                @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?

                                                Cos a good big guy is always better than a good little guy.......

                                                unless it comes to painting bottom skirting boards.

                                                Starting reading that last sentence and wondered where you were heading...

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                                                • Bones
                                                  Bones @shark last edited by

                                                  @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                  @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                  @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                  If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?

                                                  Look I don't know what argument you're looking for here, but good point. Why aren't we regularly selecting all the sub 2m locks that are a million times better than our taller ones?

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                                                  • booboo
                                                    booboo last edited by

                                                    Whitelock-Retallick

                                                    It's like finding the new Richard Hadlee. You just ain't gonna.

                                                    But you'd have thought that about Jack-Williams, Whetton-Pierce, Whitelock-Thorn.

                                                    I do think there will be some rebuilding post 2019, and not just at lock.

                                                    And whilst I haven't looked that their dimensions I'm hoping IWL, McWhannel and Scrafton develop.

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                                                    • C
                                                      cgrant @MN5 last edited by

                                                      @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                      @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                      @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                      @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                      @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                      @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                                      Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                                      Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.

                                                      I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.

                                                      In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.

                                                      If they win the lineout then who cares ?

                                                      Being tall and having very long arms is also an advantage when you have to counter a maul. You don't see too many 1.80 m forwards going through and over the opposition's maul to block the last holder of the ball and thus winning a turnover.

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                                                      • Bones
                                                        Bones @cgrant last edited by

                                                        @cgrant said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                        @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                        @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                        @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                        @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                        @Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.

                                                        Franklin is listed at 1.99m

                                                        Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.

                                                        I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.

                                                        In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.

                                                        If they win the lineout then who cares ?

                                                        Being tall and having very long arms is also an advantage when you have to counter a maul. You don't see too many 1.80 m forwards going through and over the opposition's maul to block the last holder of the ball and thus winning a turnover.

                                                        No but you see blockbusters like Kaino fighting their way through the crowd to do the same.

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                                                        • shark
                                                          shark @Bones last edited by

                                                          @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                          @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                          @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                          @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                          If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?

                                                          Look I don't know what argument you're looking for here, but good point. Why aren't we regularly selecting all the sub 2m locks that are a million times better than our taller ones?

                                                          You appeared to be making a case for shorter locks based on jumping ability being as effective as 2m + guys. So I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.

                                                          Since 2002, off the top of my head:

                                                          Jack
                                                          Williams
                                                          Eaton
                                                          Ryan
                                                          Whitlock
                                                          Retallick
                                                          Bird

                                                          And I'd say between them Williams, Jack, Eaton, Whitelock and Retallick have started the vast majority of tests in that period. Plenty of sub 2m guys have also played tests for sure, but I'd say only Brad Thorn started a good number.

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                                                          • Bones
                                                            Bones @shark last edited by

                                                            @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                            @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                            @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                            @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                            @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                            If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?

                                                            Look I don't know what argument you're looking for here, but good point. Why aren't we regularly selecting all the sub 2m locks that are a million times better than our taller ones?

                                                            You appeared to be making a case for shorter locks based on jumping ability being as effective as 2m + guys. So I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.

                                                            Since 2002, off the top of my head:

                                                            Jack
                                                            Williams
                                                            Eaton
                                                            Ryan
                                                            Whitlock
                                                            Retallick
                                                            Bird

                                                            And I'd say between them Williams, Jack, Eaton, Whitelock and Retallick have started the vast majority of tests in that period. Plenty of sub 2m guys have also played tests for sure, but I'd say only Brad Thorn started a good number.

                                                            I wasn't making a case for anything.

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                                                            • shark
                                                              shark @Bones last edited by shark

                                                              @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                              @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                              So you're not saying shorter locks can be as effective as - if not more so than - 2m+ guys? Because that's how that statement reads.

                                                              I pointed out that AB selection policy pretty much overwhelmingly refutes your assertion.

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                                                              • MN5
                                                                MN5 @shark last edited by MN5

                                                                @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                                So you're not saying shorter locks can be as effective as - if not more so than - 2m+ guys? Because that's how that statement reads.

                                                                I pointed out that AB selection policy pretty much overwhelmingly refutes your assertion.

                                                                he's got you there @Bones. It's been a long time since Ian Jones and Robin Brooke were galloping around.

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                                                                • rotated
                                                                  rotated @shark last edited by rotated

                                                                  @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                  I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.

                                                                  Since 2002, off the top of my head:

                                                                  To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:

                                                                  2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
                                                                  2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.

                                                                  The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.

                                                                  Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.

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                                                                  • mariner4life
                                                                    mariner4life last edited by

                                                                    In my eyes it's

                                                                    Jones/Brooke - a bunch of okay players - Retallic/Whitelock

                                                                    Lock really hasn't been a position of strength for AB rugby, certainly in the time i have been watching.

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                                                                    • Bones
                                                                      Bones @shark last edited by

                                                                      @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                      @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                      @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                                      So you're not saying shorter locks can be as effective as - if not more so than - 2m+ guys? Because that's how that statement reads.

                                                                      I pointed out that AB selection policy pretty much overwhelmingly refutes your assertion.

                                                                      Yes I am saying that. No the AB selection "policy" does not refute that.

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                                                                      • rotated
                                                                        rotated @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                        In my eyes it's

                                                                        Jones/Brooke - a bunch of okay players - Retallic/Whitelock

                                                                        Ali Williams was close to, if not the best player not named McCaw or Carter in the 2008 squad before he was ravaged by injuries and legitimately held his own against Botha/Matfield.

                                                                        A reasonable test for being a quality AB has been being arguably the best in the world at your position at some point and until the current crop locks and halfbacks have been a real struggle.

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                                                                        • mariner4life
                                                                          mariner4life @rotated last edited by

                                                                          @rotated i always thought Ali Williams' best period was the '05 Lions tour where he appeared to take all criticism personally and piled in to every red jersey he could find.

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                                                                          • MN5
                                                                            MN5 @rotated last edited by

                                                                            @rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                            @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                            I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.

                                                                            Since 2002, off the top of my head:

                                                                            To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:

                                                                            2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
                                                                            2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.

                                                                            The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.

                                                                            Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.

                                                                            Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.

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                                                                            • Bones
                                                                              Bones @MN5 last edited by

                                                                              @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                              @rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                              @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                              I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.

                                                                              Since 2002, off the top of my head:

                                                                              To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:

                                                                              2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
                                                                              2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.

                                                                              The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.

                                                                              Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.

                                                                              Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.

                                                                              No mention of Chresten Davis?

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                                                                              • pukunui
                                                                                pukunui @shark last edited by

                                                                                @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                                @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                                @shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?

                                                                                So you're not saying shorter locks can be as effective as - if not more so than - 2m+ guys? Because that's how that statement reads.

                                                                                I pointed out that AB selection policy pretty much overwhelmingly refutes your assertion.

                                                                                Brad Thorn was a far better lock than Dom Bird.
                                                                                Height isn’t everything.

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                                                                                • taniwharugby
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                                                                                  shame Royce WIllis left when he did, James Ryan suffering the injury he did.

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                                                                                    @Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                                    @MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                                    @rotated said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                                    @shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:

                                                                                    I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.

                                                                                    Since 2002, off the top of my head:

                                                                                    To be fair the lock selection in the past 16 years can be broadly catagorized as:

                                                                                    2004-2011 - Literally who is not injured.
                                                                                    2012-2019 - Rettalick/Whitelock.

                                                                                    The only time in that period where they had a serious choice between the two groups was in 2011 where to be fair they were content with one 2 metre+ lock in Whitelock and paired him with Thorn while attempting to see if they could catch lightning in a bottle with Hoeata.

                                                                                    Having a quality third option in Read consistently in the side for the past 12 years has been a major part of the lineout equation too.

                                                                                    Jack was a good player and Boric woulda been better if he didn't retire hurt.

                                                                                    No mention of Chresten Davis?

                                                                                    Only played Blindside for the ABs.

                                                                                    Fuck bro, sometimes I wonder if you even watch Rugby.

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