Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies
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I hope the Jaguares win, because they play more exciting and attractive rugby.
I hope the Brumbies win, because - in case the Hurricanes beat the Saders - it's better for the Canes to travel to Canberra than all the way to Buenos Aires.
I don't think it matters for the Crusaders, because - whoever wins this semi - they have to travel to Chch anyway in case of a Crusaders' win.
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@Stargazer said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
I hope the Jaguares win, because they play more exciting and attractive rugby.
Dunno about that - they've both had their dour moments in order to win games.
The Ponies fucking carved the Chiefs up in all areas way back at the start of the season, and did the same to the Tahs 2 weeks ago. It contrasts with their low moments - losses to Rebels, Reds, Saders, Jags, etc - but they've got a decent attack.
Yeah they like to go to the maul but that is also exciting to see executed so well .... unless you're a back and then your opinion doesn't matter.
Jags will probably win, but nobody will beat the Saders at home after they edge out the Canes.
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@Stargazer said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
I hope the Jaguares win, because they play more exciting and attractive rugby.
I hope the Brumbies win, because - in case the Hurricanes beat the Saders - it's better for the Canes to travel to Canberra than all the way to Buenos Aires.
I don't think it matters for the Crusaders, because - whoever wins this semi - they have to travel to Chch anyway in case of a Crusaders' win.
I'd be stoked for the Jags to win. They played iwth great spirit, and have a fantastic crowd behind them. I can't see the Brums playing expansive or interesting rugby
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Generally speaking, finals rugby rarely gives the fans this so called expansive rugby that everyone desires. We get glimpses of it, but it’s more defensive pressured rugby.
I’ll watch with great interest, but with one eye on @Jaguares4real reaction if the Brumbies get up 😀
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@NTA said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Jags will probably win, but nobody will beat the Saders at home after they edge out the Canes.
It does have that air of inevitability about it.
I think the Brumbies will go very close to winning as their game is more suited to knockout rugby. Whoever did their analysis against the Bulls was very good too - the inside ball carved them apart (the one thing I must say the most at training - punish the lazy inside defender).
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@antipodean said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@NTA said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Jags will probably win, but nobody will beat the Saders at home after they edge out the Canes.
It does have that air of inevitability about it.
I think the Brumbies will go very close to winning as their game is more suited to knockout rugby. Whoever did their analysis against the Bulls was very good too - the inside ball carved them apart (the one thing I must say the most at training - punish the lazy inside defender).
Sharks?
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@KiwiMurph said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@antipodean said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@NTA said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Jags will probably win, but nobody will beat the Saders at home after they edge out the Canes.
It does have that air of inevitability about it.
I think the Brumbies will go very close to winning as their game is more suited to knockout rugby. Whoever did their analysis against the Bulls was very good too - the inside ball carved them apart (the one thing I must say the most at training - punish the lazy inside defender).
Sharks?
Them too.
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@ACT-Crusader friendlies don't matter...
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@Bones said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@ACT-Crusader friendlies don't matter...
@Bones that deserves a hashtag
#friendliesdontmatter
@Jaguares4real you digging this shit ?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Generally speaking, finals rugby rarely gives the fans this so called expansive rugby that everyone desires. We get glimpses of it, but it’s more defensive pressured rugby.
I’ll watch with great interest, but with one eye on @Jaguares4real reaction if the Brumbies get up 😀
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@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Bones said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@ACT-Crusader friendlies don't matter...
@Bones that deserves a hashtag
#friendliesdontmatter
@Jaguares4real you digging this shit ?
Nah Not feeling that
Test Matches are largely mealiness IMO
Too many teams play each other too often
Los Pumas don't have the playing pool of other nations so need to prioritise accordingly Add to that a diabolical travel itinerary & there's a need to be pragmatic
TRC matters
June Test matches & EOYT to Europe are a distinct 2nd priority for Pumas
Los Pumas have a track record of delivering spectacular results in RWC
As long as that continues I can live with mediocre to crap results in "Test Matches" outside of TRC
8 wins & 29 losses in games post RWC 2015 is terrible & that includes 4 wins over Tier 2 nations - Japan Georgia & Italy
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@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Bones said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@ACT-Crusader friendlies don't matter...
@Bones that deserves a hashtag
#friendliesdontmatter
@Jaguares4real you digging this shit ?
Nah Not feeling that
Test Matches are largely mealiness IMO
Too many teams play each other too often
Los Pumas don't have the playing pool of other nations so need to prioritise accordingly Add to that a diabolical travel itinerary & there's a need to be pragmatic
TRC matters
June Test matches & EOYT to Europe are a distinct 2nd priority for Pumas
Los Pumas have a track record of delivering spectacular results in RWC
As long as that continues I can live with mediocre to crap results in "Test Matches" outside of TRC
8 wins & 29 losses in games post RWC 2015 is terrible & that includes 4 wins over Tier 2 nations - Japan Georgia & Italy
Ok so to be the best in the world a team needs to play less Rugby. Gotcha.
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If that's what you got from my last reply, then you're probably wasting your time reading
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@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Nah Not feeling that
> Test Matches are largely mealiness IMO
Too many teams play each other too often
Los Pumas don't have the playing pool of other nations so need to prioritise accordingly Add to that a diabolical travel itinerary & there's a need to be pragmatic
TRC matters
June Test matches & EOYT to Europe are a distinct 2nd priority for Pumas
> Los Pumas have a track record of delivering spectacular results in RWC
As long as that continues I can live with mediocre to crap results in "Test Matches" outside of TRC
8 wins & 29 losses in games post RWC 2015 is terrible & that includes 4 wins over Tier 2 nations - Japan Georgia & Italy
I understand where you are coming from with all your points and have highlighted the two I don't necessarily agree with.
TEst matches will never be meaningless. Some may be more meaningful than others, but none are really meaningless.
And spectacular isn't the right word. I would say in 2 world cups they have outperformed. Which is 25%, so I don't think your track record comment is overly accurate. Having said that, their demolition of Ireland in 2015 was probably my match of the tournament. I'd say that game was spectacular.
I will certainly give them the credit they deserve for improvement since joining TRC. Although 7 of 8 wooden spoons doesn't give off that. Was surprised to read that as I've felt they've been a nice addition.
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@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
If that's what you got from my last reply, then you're probably wasting your time reading
Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.
Also 7 out of 8 wooden spoons in TRC puts things in perspective a bit too don't you think ?
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@KiwiMurph was only Scotland....
Argies generally have the wood on the French in RWCs
For all the piss and bluster, a strong Argies is fantastic for world rugby, hopefully the Jaguares can transform Super form into International form now.
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@KiwiMurph said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@MN5 scoring a last minute try to beat Scotland in RWC 2011 that effectively knocked Scotland out of the tournament was pretty stunning.....
Whatever. It was only fucken Scotland.
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@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
If that's what you got from my last reply, then you're probably wasting your time reading
Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.
Also 7 out of 8 wooden spoons in TRC puts things in perspective a bit too don't you think ?
You can look at the results at the last 3 RWC's to jog your memory considering the lack of resources Los Pumas had........
I understand this is a kiwi rugby forum so the workings of ARG rugby might be alien to many
Don't really care about Wooden Spoon in TRC when the team was firstly getting used to the comp and the travel plus Jaguares joining SR
Alot of changes + bad management =
I'll look to the future now ARG rugby has some stability & good coaching
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@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.
Beating France in the opening game of RWC 2007 which led to some game in Cardiff.
Knocking out the favoured Ireland in 2015 by cutting them apart with some fantastic tries.
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@Bovidae said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.
Beating France in the opening game of RWC 2007 which led to some game in Cardiff.
Knocking out the favoured Ireland in 2015 by cutting them apart with some fantastic tries.
Fair point.
Failing to make it out of the group stages on four occasions isn't flash though.
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@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@KiwiMurph was only Scotland....
Argies generally have the wood on the French in RWCs
For all the piss and bluster, a strong Argies is fantastic for world rugby, hopefully the Jaguares can transform Super form into International form now.
Funny how you "forgot" the 2007 and 2015 World Cup I wonder why
At least you can see how Jaguares can potentially transform Super Rugby & bring it back to its glory days of strength vs strength
With AUS rugby being a
show & SA rugby being decimated by a weak rand + quotas as well as bad coaching & governanceNZ rugby is also likely to decline as well
Highlanders in 2020 will essentially be a Mitre Cup full of journeymen plus A Smith Iaone & Coltman + Blues remaining a basket case
Mickey mouse league in Japan threatens to extract copious amounts of NZ talent
Jaguares offers a chance for a team to emerge with a stable of young emerging talent with Int'l quality throughout team & best atmosphere of any Super Rugby ground
TV time is good for AUS/NZ market
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@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Bovidae said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.
Beating France in the opening game of RWC 2007 which led to some game in Cardiff.
Knocking out the favoured Ireland in 2015 by cutting them apart with some fantastic tries.
Fair point.
Failing to make it out of the group stages on four occasions isn't flash though.
And for good measure dusting up the French for a 2nd time in 3rd/4th playoff in 2007
I should have made it clear when I meant last 3 world cups as they're the ones I've watched & freshest in minds of fans under 30
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@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.
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@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.
So omission of facts
I understand you got a narrative to stick to....
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@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.
So omission of facts
I understand you got a narrative to stick to....
Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.
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@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.
So omission of facts
I understand you got a narrative to stick to....
Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.
You're comparing apples to oranges
Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times
Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then
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@Jaguares4real no, I think you need to check the responses...you are so busy with all your fishing lines oyu have no idea what bait is being responded too and which fish is biting and if one is biting at all.
I responded to a specific quote, that wasnt even yours then you are saying I am conveniently forgetting somethign.
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@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.
So omission of facts
I understand you got a narrative to stick to....
Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.
You're comparing apples to oranges
Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times
Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then
Aw ok. Based on that logic I'll sit and hope all the achievements of Pinetree, Lochore, Brownlie etc are expunged from the record books.
Those guys were so shit none of them even played in a World Cup.
Not only that they all retired before I was even born so their records are completely irrelevant.
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Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.
You're comparing apples to oranges
Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times
Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then
Aw ok. Based on that logic I'll sit and hope all the achievements of Pinetree, Lochore, Brownlie**** etc are expunged from the record books.
Those guys were so shit none of them even played in a World Cup.
Who are those guys?
Never heard of them
Seriously though I'm very familiar with Pinetree and Lochore a bit as well
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@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.
You're comparing apples to oranges
Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times
Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then
Aw ok. Based on that logic I'll sit and hope all the achievements of Pinetree, Lochore, Brownlie**** etc are expunged from the record books.
Those guys were so shit none of them even played in a World Cup.
Who are those guys?
Never heard of them
Seriously though I'm very familiar with Pinetree and Lochore a bit as well
Really ?
Even though they only played meaningless friendlies?
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@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:
I am conveniently forgetting somethign.
TBF I do that all the time. I have conveniently forgotten whole RWCs that I was actually present at. Might have been the result of alcohol, or just results. I don't remember.
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Have the brumbies checked out ?
