Jeffrey Epstein
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@no-quarter said in Jeffrey Epstein:
Clinton is just a really high profile (highest profile?) example of someone that still appears to have mainstream respect (I.E. mainstream media, talk shows, celebrities etc)
You think that he does? Respect? From Monica to this? Interesting take. I suspect most people, including the media, think that he is a complete scumbag.
None of them are getting the difficult questions, so yes, two worlds though.
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@snowy said in Jeffrey Epstein:
@no-quarter said in Jeffrey Epstein:
Clinton is just a really high profile (highest profile?) example of someone that still appears to have mainstream respect (I.E. mainstream media, talk shows, celebrities etc)
You think that he does? Respect? From Monica to this? Interesting take. I suspect most people, including the media, think that he is a complete scumbag.
None of them are getting the difficult questions, so yes, two worlds though.
I mean he gave a speech at the 2020 DNC convention last year, so it's not like he's been ostracized the way he should have been. Sure he's not revered like Obama is in those circles, but man the guy is an absolute creep that hung out with a convicted pedo and just continues to go about his business.
And to be clear, this isn't limited to Clinton, he's just a really high profile example of someone in those circles being blatantly above the law.
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@no-quarter said in Jeffrey Epstein:
@snowy said in Jeffrey Epstein:
@no-quarter said in Jeffrey Epstein:
Clinton is just a really high profile (highest profile?) example of someone that still appears to have mainstream respect (I.E. mainstream media, talk shows, celebrities etc)
You think that he does? Respect? From Monica to this? Interesting take. I suspect most people, including the media, think that he is a complete scumbag.
None of them are getting the difficult questions, so yes, two worlds though.
I mean he gave a speech at the 2020 DNC convention last year, so it's not like he's been ostracized the way he should have been. Sure he's not revered like Obama is in those circles, but man the guy is an absolute creep that hung out with a convicted pedo and just continues to go about his business.
And to be clear, this isn't limited to Clinton, he's just a really high profile example of someone in those circles being blatantly above the law.
Fair enough and I agree with that, just thought that anybody giving him "respect" is probably gone, or certainly should be. Chuck in Whitewater and you really start to see a picture.
He also hasn't been convicted of anything so is it the attorney general (Barr I think, still from Trump admin) that is a corrupt as the rest of them?
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@snowy said in Jeffrey Epstein:
@siam said in Jeffrey Epstein:
Unverifiable heresay.
That would be hearsay. Also yes, and undeniable opportunity. They were mates prior.
We actually agree on most of it.
I read it as heresy . Looking at it "heresay" is one of those awesome words that mean something more by just adding one letter.
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@no-quarter said in Jeffrey Epstein:
@kruse said in Jeffrey Epstein:
@no-quarter said in Jeffrey Epstein:
I still haven't come to terms with Bill Clinton spending so much time with Epstein in his plane and on his island, yet just continues on as if there's nothing amiss. Why isn't he being absolutely hauled over the coals and made to answer what the fuck he was doing.
Isn't there quite a list but.... I'm not sure why anybody would focus on ONLY Bill Clinton...
Possibly because Trump was also a frequent flyer, so a "don't ask, don't tell" policy would have made sense until recently... but probably a shitload of other people still in the system... so it's still a "yeah... let's let that hornet's nest lie"Clinton is just a really high profile (highest profile?) example of someone that still appears to have mainstream respect (I.E. mainstream media, talk shows, celebrities etc) that was a very frequent flier on Epstein's jet and visitor to his Island. Meaning at the very best he know what was going on, and more likely was taking part. But he gets no hard questions, no meaningful investigation into what the hell he was doing. Just makes you realise there's two worlds operating in parallel - ours and the so called elites.
I think the Prince Andrew interview alone removed any doubt that justice is performed on a level playing field.
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Not being announced doesn't mean that Clinton (and others) weren't asked questions although obviously that's a good working assumption.
Hearsay can be an acceptable reason to start an investigation - whether it's admissible in court is up to the judge (it's not automatically ruled out), but given Epstein is dead, at least some hearsay might be required (in that he's not available to corroborate anything claimed to be said by him).
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Thereâs a lot of assumptions that Epsteinâs visitors were co-conspirators.
Epstein could have just been smart enough to protect himself by surrounding himself with people that did not want to be implicated so would provide alibis and protect him (until he became a dangerous liability).
All a guessed scenario but no more so than automatic assumptions of being part of the scene.I read a fiction book written way before most of this came out (I think was one of the Spider Shepherd series by Stephen Leather) and part of the story was him observing a clandestine party deep in the English countryside with lots of young girls and an unnamed member of the royal family.
That plot would have come from research and rumours so there has been smoke among some circles for quite a long time. Enough smoke for an uncontroversial fiction writer to use anyway. -
@crucial the difference with Clinton is that he his own awful history seperate from Epstein. At lease two credible rape victims, and one very public affair.
I suspect heâs been protected to keep Hillaryâs name in the ring for President. Now thatâs all over I wonder if some harder questions are coming his way.
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@tim said in Jeffrey Epstein:
Lawsuit claims ex-Apollo CEO Leon Black sexually assaulted Russian model
Paywalled link.
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Leon Black, the former chief executive of Apollo Global Management, has been hit with a lawsuit claiming that he raped and harassed a young Russian model before manipulating her with promises of money and sham job interviews at Goldman Sachs.
The claims, which come weeks after Black stepped down from Apollo following scrutiny of his ties to the late paedophile Jeffrey Epstein, contradict Blackâs account of what he has characterised as a âconsensual affairâ with a woman who he claims later extorted him.
Guzel Ganieva was in her early 20s when she says Black picked her out of a crowd at a New York event marking International Womenâs Day, and invited her to discuss her future over dinner at the upscale restaurant La Grenouille.
She alleges that soon after that 2008 encounter, the Apollo Global Management founder took her to a bare studio apartment where, on a mattress on the floor, he subjected her to âforced sadistic sexual actsâ.
Black âderived pleasure from humiliating and debasingâ Ganieva and intentionally caused her physical pain, according to a civil complaint filed in New York state supreme court on Tuesday.
But when Ganieva indicated she was cutting off contact, she says Black turned conciliatory â offering to finance a movie that she could produce, and to use his contacts to facilitate an application at Harvard Business School.
âThis frivolous lawsuit is riddled with lies, and is nothing more than a wholesale fiction,â a spokesperson for Black said on Tuesday, adding that Ganieva âhad a wholly consensual relationship with [Black] for six yearsâ and that her allegations of âharassment and other inappropriate behaviourâ were âcategorically untrueâ.
Black resigned from Apollo in March, citing ârelentless public attention and media scrutinyâ of his professional ties to Epstein, to whom he paid $158m for tax advice and art transaction services. An investigation by Dechert, the international law firm, found no evidence that Black had done anything wrong.
Ganievaâs lawsuit claims that Black harmed her reputation by making false and malicious statements in response to news reports detailing some of her allegations of sexual harassment.
âThe truth is that I have been extorted by Ms Ganieva for many years,â Black said in an April statement that Ganievaâs lawyers say was âfalse and defamatoryâ.
âI made substantial monetary payments to her, based on her threats to go public concerning our relationship, in an attempt to spare my family from public embarrassment,â the statement added.
Ganievaâs lawsuit offers a different version of events surrounding the money she received from Black, beginning with a $480,000 loan that she says he offered in June 2011 to help her resume her college studies.
A photograph of a one-page âloan agreementâ attached to the lawsuit appears to bear Blackâs flowing signature alongside Ganievaâs, and arranges for her to receive $60,000 every three months for the subsequent two years.
âThe principal loan will be repaid in full on June 1 2016 and will carry a simple interest rate of 5 per cent per annum,â the document states, without calculating the amount to be repaid. Ganieva says she signed another, nearly identical âloan agreementâ in 2013.
With her mathematics degree finished, Ganieva began looking for work, and she says Black offered help, arranging for her to meet top executives at Goldman Sachs. Among them was Alison Mass, who now chairs the investment banking division.
A person familiar with the 2014 meetings said the bank had not interviewed Ganieva for any specific position, and that it was not uncommon to enter into open-ended conversations about potential job openings at the request of a client. Goldman declined to comment.
In the end, no job materialised. âGiven the macro environment, there are no open jobs at Goldman Sachs right now that work for/are a fit for you,â a Goldman banker wrote to Ganieva in an email, adding that a colleague âwould keep his eyes openâ for job openings with clients in Moscow.
âIn hindsight Ms Ganieva knows that none of these arranged interviews were meant to be legitimate,â her lawyers wrote in a court filing.
A year after the meetings at Goldman Sachs, Ganieva says she asked Black âto leave her and her child alone, for goodâ.
At a meeting at New Yorkâs Four Seasons hotel, she says Black agreed to forgive her loans, and ordered her to sign two documents without allowing her to keep a copy. She says she now understands that she signed a non-disclosure agreement.
Afterwards, Ganieva says she began receiving regular payments from Black, but that the money stopped arriving in April. Weeks earlier Ganieva posted on Twitter that Black was a âpredatorâ who had âsexually harassed and abusedâ her for many years.
Through a spokesperson, Black has acknowledged making payments to Ganieva and said he had âadvised the criminal authoritiesâ of her activities.
In Tuesdayâs legal filing, Ganievaâs lawyers contended that Black was making a âpre-emptive claim of extortionâ to make it harder for her to pursue legal action.
They wrote: âHe said many times to her, âIf you do not take the money, I will put you in prison.ââ
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If only Jeffrey could have roomed with R Kelly
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and Bill Gates, that Epstein is so well-connected with such a mysterious past to so many rich and famous who you'd think would have security vetting anyone getting close to them ..
I suspect some of the ones around Epstein weren't paedophiles, just creepy egomaniacs. Like Joi Ito and Steven Pinker. If only because who would have a list of that many underage girls? He must have really worked the room alright..
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@nostrildamus said in Jeffrey Epstein:
and Bill Gates, that Epstein is so well-connected with such a mysterious past to so many rich and famous who you'd think would have security vetting anyone getting close to them ..
I suspect some of the ones around Epstein weren't paedophiles, just creepy egomaniacs. Like Joi Ito and Steven Pinker. If only because who would have a list of that many underage girls? He must have really worked the room alright..
Settle down. Posting sauceless gossip is a Fern tradition, but defamatory sauceless gossip probably needs to go in your own social media.
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@jc not sure what you are talking about. Bill Gates admitted the links, Ito apologized (or at least admitted it was a bad decision), Pinker said in written interviews the same. I'm not alleging they did anything wrong apart from that but at least two of them, no, I think all of them, continued to meet and or support him after he was charged. You can look it up yourself.
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@nostrildamus Yeah, nah. Someone mentions a guy who was charged with trafficking young girls and a guy convicted yesterday for doing the same and you finished the thought with âand Bill Gatesâ. You even tied it into the same sentence by omitting the capital letter. Donât be disingenuous.