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This is as sad as it is true
https://www.reddit.com/r/auckland/comments/psqfzk/here_we_go/
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan that 90% target in the media, is actually an NZME initiative, possibly with advice form Govt in the background, but the article in an actual paper today, it is thier initiative and not Govt. backed.
The longer you don't have a clear policy or goals (just directional intents at most) the harder it is to be held to account for not meeting them?
Every government will do this if it can, it's Boris Johnson's default mode.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p guess they have been burnt by putting out lofty goals before, although our media don't really hold them to account.
Is always contrasting interviews from them interviewing Cindy vs anyone else...
Yet no one seems to question that. She definitely has teflon coating like early PM Key
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I'm amazed that you guys are aguing potential percentage numbers.
Today Bloomfield said we may never go back to zero. Gone to L3 regardless. Virus now in 3 gangs, try containing that!. Crossed a provincial border, still gone to L3.
Seems to me they're hinting as hard as can be hinted that elimination is about to blow.
You're discussing the past's vision of a potential future exit.
Its moved.
That's how I'm reading it.
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@rapido yeah some of the messaging has definitely been leaning that way.
I see some numpty in Auckland forged docs, went to Taranaki, and then had an non-covid medical issue...busted!
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm amazed that you guys are aguing potential percentage numbers.
Today Bloomfield said we may never go back to zero. Gone to L3 regardless. Virus now in 3 gangs, try containing that!. Crossed a provincial border, still gone to L3.
Seems to me they're hinting as hard as can be hinted that elimination is about to blow.
You're discussing the past's vision of a potential future exit.
Its moved.
That's how I'm reading it.
Because of this;
"He (Bloomfeild) said vaccination rates need to be north of 90 per cent before they’re confident of opening up the freedoms of alert level 1."
My take on that is the same as what you say, that these measures are permanent.
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View from afar. Mixed messaging, but actions speak louder than words ... to definitely eliminate Delta you'd need to keep Auckland in L4 surely?
I think they've accepted "aggressive suppression" becomes reality for now but hope (somehow) that the low probability of elimination still happens.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm amazed that you guys are aguing potential percentage numbers.
Today Bloomfield said we may never go back to zero. Gone to L3 regardless. Virus now in 3 gangs, try containing that!. Crossed a provincial border, still gone to L3.
Seems to me they're hinting as hard as can be hinted that elimination is about to blow.
You're discussing the past's vision of a potential future exit.
Its moved.
That's how I'm reading it.
Because of this;
"He (Bloomfeild) said vaccination rates need to be north of 90 per cent before they’re confident of opening up the freedoms of alert level 1."
My take on that is the same as what you say, that these measures are permanent.
We'll go to level 1 when we get 90 to 100% antibodies. But, only about 80 % will be via vaccination, the rest will be naturally acquired.
My take.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm amazed that you guys are aguing potential percentage numbers.
Today Bloomfield said we may never go back to zero. Gone to L3 regardless. Virus now in 3 gangs, try containing that!. Crossed a provincial border, still gone to L3.
Seems to me they're hinting as hard as can be hinted that elimination is about to blow.
You're discussing the past's vision of a potential future exit.
Its moved.
That's how I'm reading it.
Because of this;
"He (Bloomfeild) said vaccination rates need to be north of 90 per cent before they’re confident of opening up the freedoms of alert level 1."
My take on that is the same as what you say, that these measures are permanent.
We'll go to level 1 when we get 90 to 100% antibodies. But, only about 80 % will be via vaccination, the rest will be naturally acquired.
My take.
At the current ~20 cases a day, there's only 20000 days to go!
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@kirwan as I mentioned above, the initiative re 90% was from NZME, but as I suspected this has likely been the Govt driving this.
I do wonder if they will use L3 and L2 restrictions to help drive further vaccinations - if you want freedoms back, get vaccinated!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan as I mentioned above, the initiative re 90% was from NZME, but as I suspected this has likely been the Govt driving this.
I do wonder if they will use L3 and L2 restrictions to help drive further vaccinations - if you want freedoms back, get vaccinated!
Just being softly released by their pets in the press. Same as last year when Taxinda would say they are not planning a lockdown but "be prepared".
She is so dishonest.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
There is a 'blame it on on the gangs' opportunity possibly coming up for the govt to be able to shrug their shoulders at a change of approach.
Can't see them throwing their colleagues under the bus like that...
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Thanks for posting that, it's an excellent article.
Good info but much of the 'results' don't show where we end up in 6 weeks time. e.g. the 'doses per 100 pax'. We have about 36% sitting at home waiting until their next jab is done. That would change our position a lot.
I got in with my bookings just before the 6 week gap instead of 3 came along. The science behind that increase didn't seem too conclusive and as this was pre-delta in Auckland and the impetus to speed things up I wonder if they called that one a bit early.
If people were going back for their second after three weeks it would stop this picture of a slowing momentum. They (as TR is doing) would also get new first dose people brought along while second doses are being done. I wonder how many others, especially with teens, are doing the same out of convenience? Don't get your first now, come along in a few weeks when we get our second. It's understandable.
Probably too late now as the messaging gets messy.
Even the whole booking system thing that allowed way too much time per person has backfired a bit given what happened. Lots of folks thought that was the only way and instead they should have just promoted an open slather mass vax approach.
The planning was all good while we were in a safe little bubble but now people want out of this fast and a move to a different approach. That hinges on speeding up the vaxxing and maximum efforts should be going into that. Hammer the message home. -
@crucial I think the booking system possibly put some off, back when they first opened it for 16 yr olds, the booking system said it was 6 week wait for TR Jnr to get his jab (which would be in a week or so) but we took him to the large centre they have set up here and got it.
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