Coronavirus - New Zealand
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I have a beloved staff member (40 years old, 2 young kids) that will probably pass in the next day or two.
Cancer really can eat most of the dicks but covid can join in because I won't get to see her again.
Jacinda can stop glory hoarding about results now. We need to get get our lives back.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo she wasn't the one telling him that she had the answers. His hot take was "I've read and heard from overseas experts and others in NZ... why aren't we doing x, y, z?" Quite possible she's heard that a million times now from all and sundry. Doesn't mean she should be a dick about it though... hmm but she was talking to Garner soooooo
I think this edges me ahead of Kirwan for this years white knight standings
The clip I saw, basically he was just asking what was it that NZ were waiting for to go to level 2 and couldn't they go now as they'd had results. The response was the epidemiology remark.
I'm guessing there was more in the lead up to the question, but the clip was supposed to show Cindy's "sass" and all it did was remind me of Trump.
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Link to Stephen Franks. The MoH judgement is well worth a read, jsut for the sheer incompetence of their response to a distressed man in quarantine.
It is an example of why I am so cautious about handing power over to government without good checks and balances. All the great rhetoric in the world can't protect from incompetence and ignorance.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC so quality of said questions doesn't come into it? I'm no Bridges fan but have been particularly frustrated by his (extra) poor performance. He's fielded some good questions and discussion as chair of the Covid committee but his other stuff has been a shambles. So there's an added layer of frustration that his own noise is cancelling out the limited good stuff he's doing.
Nope. She can do and say what she wants. And she can point out when he’s talking crap, or have a go at him personally. But don’t suggest that even asking a question in wrong when she’s set aside a whole raft of civil liberties in a fashion that legal academics are now saying is questionable at the very least, when a judge has suggested the MOH has acted incorrectly, and her government has committed huge expenditure outside the normal budget process with proper scrutiny. It’s just not appropriate for a leader of any party to suggest that oversight is not just unnecessary but wrong.
Can't disagree with that, however I understood that the comment thrown at Bridges was not about oversight it was about him declaring 'you should do this, you should do that, I reckon it's all OK now'.
He didn’t declare any such thing though. He asked why the decision to move to Level 2 had to wait till Monday, and suggested that she should be balancing the needs of business each day. A mature response would have been to provide evidence of how she has taken the needs of business into account.
She is correct in saying that he has the luxury of making platitudes.
Oh really? So I’ve been hallucinating all the posts on here, and articles in the media that suggest his comments have made him unelectable? He has no such luxury, he pays a political price for his errors just like anybody else. Except for Jacinda of course. And he didn’t make any platitudes, he challenged her stance on something and is excoriated for having the temerity to do so. Which is his job. And whether or not he does it well I’m glad someone is asking some questions, because the hagiographies in the media suggest nobody there is going to take their tongue out of Jacinda’s sainted butt long enough to articulate one. Sycophancy doesn’t come close to describing it, it’s astonishing.
Once again tough our opposition and media show that they aren't great at asking the relevant questions but quick on the draw for cheap points.
Yeah, because attacking the way someone speaks isn’t cheap point scoring. Saints, the government are, saints I tell ya.
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Was chatting to a client today (owns a few buildings about town) and he said he has given his tenants 2 months off rent completely!
GC...I told him as much in more appropriate language.
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@taniwharugby jeez dude. Calling a non-ferner a fluffybunny!!? I suppose he was of the good variety!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Was chatting to a client today (owns a few buildings about town) and he said he has given his tenants 2 months off rent completely!
GC...I told him as much in more appropriate language.
No, no. Say it together: Landlords are disgusting leeches with no morality or conscience. That’s why we punish them.
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Big day today team. Any predictions for what our beloved leader will allow us to do at L2? Will all retail open up? Cafes and restaurants be allowed to let us inside their doors? People be given the freedom to visit their friends homes? To travel regionally with reckless abandon?
And while we are predicting the rules, let's also have a go at the date of the move.
What have you got?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Big day today team. Any predictions for what our beloved leader will allow us to do at L2? Will all retail open up? Cafes and restaurants be allowed to let us inside their doors? People be given the freedom to visit their friends homes? To travel regionally with reckless abandon?
And while we are predicting the rules, let's also have a go at the date of the move.
What have you got?
I think these places will be open, including pubs (PLEASE LET THE PUBS OPEN) but what I'm more interested in is how they will be told to operate under L2 protocols. 1 metre will be fine for our pub but 2 metres would be tough and pointless I imagine.
I'm just thankful my mate has a bar on his farm with pool table, bar leaners and TV for racing. I only miss the extra people.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Big day today team. Any predictions for what our beloved leader will allow us to do at L2? Will all retail open up? Cafes and restaurants be allowed to let us inside their doors? People be given the freedom to visit their friends homes? To travel regionally with reckless abandon?
And while we are predicting the rules, let's also have a go at the date of the move.
What have you got?
I'm not sure if we will get a full blown L2 or a L2.5 with some things coming on stream at staggered times. Would kind of make sense to open stuff up first, then open up domestic travel a couple of weeks later.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Big day today team. Any predictions for what our beloved leader will allow us to do at L2? Will all retail open up? Cafes and restaurants be allowed to let us inside their doors? People be given the freedom to visit their friends homes? To travel regionally with reckless abandon?
And while we are predicting the rules, let's also have a go at the date of the move.
What have you got?
I'm not sure if we will get a full blown L2 or a L2.5 with some things coming on stream at staggered times. Would kind of make sense to open stuff up first, then open up domestic travel a couple of weeks later.
I expect L2 to be start of next week, still a fair number of social distancing restrictions, will be not enough freedom for air travel just yet
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At this stage its really too early to predict if we get the go ahead on Monday because we are right in the middle of where there will be a spike if Lvl 3 has gone awry.
However in terms of what we will be able to do I pretty much think everything will re-open with restrictions.
I think regional travel will be allowed - initially by car because aviation isn't ready yet. I know it wasn't allowed previously under Lvl 2 but there's been plenty of signals that this Lvl 2 will be different. Tourism needs the relaxation now. I think they will rely on the fact that a lot of people will still be wary of travelling. I hope I'm right I've booked accommodation for the 22/23rd.
When we go. Not before Wed but I wouldn't be at all surprised if she give it another week i.e. announces but "gives businesses time to prepare".
If we see cases back above 10 - all bets are off.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat I agree that there will be a delay in dropping levels of around a week. We need it because we won't even have guidelines from the ministry until late in the week of we are lucky
This stuff makes me so frustrated - not in you in our government. This lockdown started in the middle of March. They have had weeks to prepare scenarios for moving to L3 and to L2. Sure the goalposts move, but that's why you have a variety of plans. But they should have had a clear picture in mind of what L2 looks like few weeks back. The idea that they only started thinking about L2 once we got to L3 is absurd.
And then they should have been in constant communication with industry about their plans. Taking on feedback, passing on information. Business understands it's fluid, but would greatly appreciate some information.
I hope all retail opens, and they stop restricting movement, at least between regions with limited cases. I can't understand why they wouldn't also allow domestic flights, the fact that the airlines might need time to set up is it a reason to restrict them.
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@voodoo they have been talking to industry groups including within aviation. It's all conjecture anyway. Travel may still be restricted and I'll be out of pocket. As an aside there weren't accommodation bargains to be had which surprised me. Prices were standard pre COVID.
I took a punt on a parcel of Air NZ shares this week so bring it on I say!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This lockdown started in the middle of March.
not to be a pedant, but lockdown was from midnight 25 March...they announced on Moday the 23rd of the impednign lockdown, giving businesses a few days to prepare then, so I expect they will do so the other way, again.
The first travel restrictions came in 15/03 i think and the next 'stricter' ones 19/03
Agree there has been lack of clarity around alot of stuff though, leaving too much open for interpretation.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo they have been talking to industry groups including within aviation. It's all conjecture anyway. Travel may still be restricted and I'll be out of pocket. As an aside there weren't accommodation bargains to be had which surprised me. Prices were standard pre COVID.
I took a punt on a parcel of Air NZ shares this week so bring it on I say!
Air NZ stock will at least double within 2 years I predict
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@dogmeat hopefully it depends where those cases pop up. If they are scattered that would be more worrying than if they were related to a known cluster or are all in a single region etc.
Agree with you @voodoo - open it all up, keep tabs on movement in specific areas, and hopefully accelerate further support and access for the tourism sector.
re airline travel - I wonder what break even is on a limited capacity regional flight? excluding the freight component. There will be a balance between 'good practice' and separation on the plane, the number of people keen to fly, and whatever the ticket price will be.