Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In another well planned announcement today, we will have vaccine certificates available in November. What they're going to actually be used for is still to be determined.
I think we will get more next Monday and a full framework later, but the PM did say it would apply to large events and hospitality, while not being required for essential healthcare or supermarkets.
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@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In another well planned announcement today, we will have vaccine certificates available in November. What they're going to actually be used for is still to be determined.
I think we will get more next Monday and a full framework later, but the PM did say it would apply to large events and hospitality, while not being required for essential healthcare or supermarkets.
So spending the same amount of time in aisles with other shoppers doesn't pose the threat sitting with a smaller amount of people eating lunch and having an ale or two does?
It's the arbitrary nature of these policies that annoy me the most. It suggests that it isn't driven by evidence.
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@antipodean from my observations Aucklanders were already meeting up outside, and the police had no way of stopping it as it's too hard to enforce. So these new rules are really just saying we are allowed to do what a lot of people are already doing, more to not look like they are losing control of the lockdowns than any health based evidence they are weighing up.
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This HAS to be satire ?
I mean, just read this…..
“Helen Petousis-Harris, a vaccinologist at the University of Auckland, said the vaccine did not have anything in it that can turn people into zombies”
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
I can understand not wanting to commit to when each step in Auckland's "Roadmap" will happen, but to me it shows cowardice. Just a whole lot of not wanting to disappoint people if they get it wrong. I think it would show better leadership if you provide a time frame along the lines of, "Auckland will move to step 1 immediately and assuming everything goes to plan we'll go to step 2 in two weeks, then step 3 two weeks after that. We'll review this every week and if these time frames look like they'll need to change, we'll let you know as soon as we make that decision." That would at least give a best case time frame.
The announcement of vaccine certificates without any details of when they'll be used just makes it look like they're not prepared at all. They're only just considering how things are going to work when we transition to living with covid? I would have expected that to have started months ago, or at least 7 weeks ago.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In another well planned announcement today, we will have vaccine certificates available in November. What they're going to actually be used for is still to be determined.
I think we will get more next Monday and a full framework later, but the PM did say it would apply to large events and hospitality, while not being required for essential healthcare or supermarkets.
So spending the same amount of time in aisles with other shoppers doesn't pose the threat sitting with a smaller amount of people eating lunch and having an ale or two does?
It's the arbitrary nature of these policies that annoy me the most. It suggests that it isn't driven by evidence.
Nothing to stop the supermarkets doing that themselves. Supermarkets are one of the most essential services, so the PM has generally been reluctant to stop people being able to go there.
Despite the closures as locations of interest and even with Delta, transmission in supermarkets doesn't appear to have happened in the current outbreak. Hard to say supermarkets are high risk when there has been no transmission in supermarkets.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
I can understand not wanting to commit to when each step in Auckland's "Roadmap" will happen, but to me it shows cowardice. Just a whole lot of not wanting to disappoint people if they get it wrong. I think it would show better leadership if you provide a time frame along the lines of, "Auckland will move to step 1 immediately and assuming everything goes to plan we'll go to step 2 in two weeks, then step 3 two weeks after that. We'll review this every week and if these time frames look like they'll need to change, we'll let you know as soon as we make that decision." That would at least give a best case time frame.
The announcement of vaccine certificates without any details of when they'll be used just makes it look like they're not prepared at all. They're only just considering how things are going to work when we transition to living with covid? I would have expected that to have started months ago, or at least 7 weeks ago.
For me the gap is to explain what “everything going to plan” entails.
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@godder can only talk to the experience up here, but PnS and NW (2 big stores, 1 smaller NW) have been run much better than Countdown (3 stores) in regard to queuing, stock, managing in store, staff etc.
Interestingly, when the breakouts started in Auckland, Countdowns were the supermarket of choice for the infected...haha
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous they did that already, the best case time frame is 4 weeks, with weekly reviews.
I would call that an implied time frame from an accidental slip from Bloomfield. Or if it was intentional, then trying to distance yourself from it in case you don't meet it. That wouldn't make it much/any better though when the a main part of the problem is the avoidance of accountability.
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Does anyone know what the actual guidance arount the 10 person limit is?
I found this below, which seems to be the current order, but I cannot seem to see in there the rules about 10 people gatherings.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0263/latest/whole.html#whole
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Does anyone know what the actual guidance arount the 10 person limit is?
I found this below, which seems to be the current order, but I cannot seem to see in there the rules about 10 people gatherings.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0263/latest/whole.html#whole
From the amendment not yet in force (https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0298/latest/LMS563673.html), this appears to be it:
32A Limited outdoor gatherings permitted in alert level 3 area (1) A limited outdoor gathering is permitted in the alert level 3 area. (2) In this clause, limited outdoor gathering means a gathering that meets all of the following requirements: (a) the gathering occurs in any outdoor place in the alert level 3 area: (b) there are no more than 10 people at any one time at the gathering: (c) each of those people reside at 1 of a total of no more than 2 homes or places of residence within the alert level 3 area.
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Remember when the government said we would be at the front of the queue for vaccines?
Then when it was obvious that we were no where near the front of the queue they tried to pretend that it was because they were being benevolent to other countries and we’d done so well we didn’t need to get to the front of the queue ?
This bullshit was actually in a vaccine pamphlet when the vaccine rollout was proceeding at a glacial pace
Now it turns out we were never at the front of the queue and we didn’t bother talking to Pfizer for six weeks which was after everyone else got their orders in and made our procurement late and therefore more time for our failure of an MIQ setup to let Delta in .
Seriously, fuck these incompetents and the people that themselves out trying to make excuses for them .