Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The results of the trial are basically a waste of time now
The trial results indicate that the self isolation replacement for MIQ may have some troubles ...
Most cases now isolating at home is showing us that too, but improvements will also be iterated through much faster than the results from a small trial.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The results of the trial are basically a waste of time now
The trial results indicate that the self isolation replacement for MIQ may have some troubles ...
Most cases now isolating at home is showing us that too, but improvements will also be iterated through much faster than the results from a small trial.
Thatās only true if the people responsible would learn. History tells us they are far more likely to double down so they donāt have to admit that we may not be the envy of the world.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
you're comparing putting on a yellow hat for 8hrs per day to being forced to inject your body twice with a mRNA vaccine
I don't get the fuss over mrna, it's been around for decades and the Pfizer vaccine is not the first mrna vax
Mrs CF said Ashley came out and said that soon the Astra Zenica vax, which is not as good as Pfizer but is not mrna, will be made available to all who want it soon. So the mrna excuse will be gone
They'll use clotting
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
you're comparing putting on a yellow hat for 8hrs per day to being forced to inject your body twice with a mRNA vaccine
I don't get the fuss over mrna, it's been around for decades and the Pfizer vaccine is not the first mrna vax
Mrs CF said Ashley came out and said that soon the Astra Zenica vax, which is not as good as Pfizer but is not mrna, will be made available to all who want it soon. So the mrna excuse will be gone
They'll use clotting
Que?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
you're comparing putting on a yellow hat for 8hrs per day to being forced to inject your body twice with a mRNA vaccine
I don't get the fuss over mrna, it's been around for decades and the Pfizer vaccine is not the first mrna vax
Mrs CF said Ashley came out and said that soon the Astra Zenica vax, which is not as good as Pfizer but is not mrna, will be made available to all who want it soon. So the mrna excuse will be gone
They'll use clotting
Que?
Reference to the poorly reported blood clot issues with that version of the vaccine.
Will always be a reason for the Facebook researchers.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
you're comparing putting on a yellow hat for 8hrs per day to being forced to inject your body twice with a mRNA vaccine
I don't get the fuss over mrna, it's been around for decades and the Pfizer vaccine is not the first mrna vax
Mrs CF said Ashley came out and said that soon the Astra Zenica vax, which is not as good as Pfizer but is not mrna, will be made available to all who want it soon. So the mrna excuse will be gone
They'll use clotting
Que?
Reference to the poorly reported blood clot issues with that version of the vaccine.
Will always be a reason for the Facebook researchers.
Andrew Wakefield would be proud š
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Tim Jesus thatās embarrassing
GOM / libertarian rant:
For all those people who, when presented with XYZ problem immediately ask "what is the government going to DO about it?" - the answer is this. This is the shit government usually does.
We need less government in our lives, not more.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
you're comparing putting on a yellow hat for 8hrs per day to being forced to inject your body twice with a mRNA vaccine
I don't get the fuss over mrna, it's been around for decades and the Pfizer vaccine is not the first mrna vax
Mrs CF said Ashley came out and said that soon the Astra Zenica vax, which is not as good as Pfizer but is not mrna, will be made available to all who want it soon. So the mrna excuse will be gone
They'll use clotting
Que?
May have been under reported over there but AZ fell out of favour due to a number of adverse blood clot reactions.
Apparently more common in younger women, and they kept upping the age of those allowed to get AZ.
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KEEP DRIVING THAT WEDGE CREATING MORE division
Te PÄti MÄori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has placed the blame for her people's low rate of vaccination squarely on the Government, saying many MÄori don't trust the "very white" approach it's taken.
I agree they got it all wrong at the start, but when there are Maori health groups offering vouchers and all sorts of incentives for vaccinations and people are still not getting vaxxed, at some point you just need to realise that it isnt about race, its about the choice people have made (for those not mandated and having that choice taken away)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
KEEP DRIVING THAT WEDGE CREATING MORE division
Te PÄti MÄori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has placed the blame for her people's low rate of vaccination squarely on the Government, saying many MÄori don't trust the "very white" approach it's taken.
I agree they got it all wrong at the start, but when their are health groups offering vouchers and all sorts of incentives for vaccinations and people are still not getting vaxxed, at some point you just need to realise that it isnt about race, its about the choice people have made (for those not mandated and having that choice taken away)
I don't disagree that they have been badly treated historically. But some Maori are very good at playing the victim
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Transition date to the new framework announced as 23:59 2 December (effectively Friday next week). Next Monday's cabinet meeting will decide which level/colour regions will transition at (Auckland has been signalled as starting at Red).
In the meantime, hairdressers and barbers are allowed to open as an early trial (must check vaccine passes, distancing, appointments only).
Free MoH vaccine verifier app to be released this week along with sector-specific advice and technical/legislative material (the relevant legislation will be passed this week, presumably the CPF orders have been drafted as well).
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
A plane flew over our house towing this message thus afternoon....
Fair to say the honeymoon is over
Because someone hired a plane to express their opinion?
Polls show otherwise.
Yeah, about as useful as people seeing a few thousand protesters and thinking there is widespread opinion against vaccination. Pretty funny though. I'm not surprised you were triggered though... š
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
KEEP DRIVING THAT WEDGE CREATING MORE division
Te PÄti MÄori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has placed the blame for her people's low rate of vaccination squarely on the Government, saying many MÄori don't trust the "very white" approach it's taken.
I agree they got it all wrong at the start, but when there are Maori health groups offering vouchers and all sorts of incentives for vaccinations and people are still not getting vaxxed, at some point you just need to realise that it isnt about race, its about the choice people have made (for those not mandated and having that choice taken away)
She's Maori?
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
KEEP DRIVING THAT WEDGE CREATING MORE division
Te PÄti MÄori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has placed the blame for her people's low rate of vaccination squarely on the Government, saying many MÄori don't trust the "very white" approach it's taken.
I agree they got it all wrong at the start, but when there are Maori health groups offering vouchers and all sorts of incentives for vaccinations and people are still not getting vaxxed, at some point you just need to realise that it isnt about race, its about the choice people have made (for those not mandated and having that choice taken away)
She's Maori?
She's whiter than me.Isn't there a word for judging people based on their skin colour?
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Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Chatting to a Maori mate of mine about this ( double jabbed ) and he put a lot of it down to historic mistrust of government, doctors, colonialism etc.
Of course in saying all this theyāre happy to go down to WINZ with their hands out for money. ( his words )
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall MÄori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Genuine question, what are the reasons being put forward by Maori for low vax rates? Other than higher rural locations, what are the features of the "white approach" that are preventing them from keeping pace? In that entire article all I saw was some vague reference to wanting to go as a family.
Numerous factors. Some are ones @MN5 mentioned.
The overall MÄori rate is dragged down by an age bracket in the 20s. As a generalisation this group contains many manual wage workers and or beneficiaries in higher %s to the overall population and are spread around the country. The comments about not being planned to take this into account were valid in that proportionally they were affected more by the early expectations of using online services, being registered at doctors, being able to travel to vax centres etc.
All reasons that occur across groups but it should have been recognised that a different approach was required for this group if it was to not be left behind. Those different approaches have already made up a lot of ground once implemented.
The same issues aren't as obvious in the Pacific Peoples group and that young age group. My guess is that as a group the population is heavily Auckland weighted and there is a cultural factor that has spread the message through churches and communities much more efficiently. Culturally I think it is still fair to generalise that young pacific peoples listen to their elders and do as they are told.Wait, what? Are we suggesting now that 20-something manual workers don't know how to use their Iphones?
That's some bullshit right there.
It ain't bloody hard to register with a Dr.
From afar it looks like a pretty shitty excuse to say to the Gov "your approach was too white".