Coronavirus - New Zealand
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Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
This is why I never join protests: I don't want people thinking I'm like the lunatics and arseholes. I prefer just to complain and irritate people that way...
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
This is why I never join protests: I don't want people thinking I'm like the lunatics and arseholes. I prefer just to complain and irritate people that way...
Yeah they're certainly not all like that, I would imagine, but there are some right fucking nutters in amongst them. It's all about love placards and yelling they're going to execute people etc. But the Police are fucking wimping out if they don't get the roads sorted. The protest is going to get huge and poor old Wellingtonians are just going to have to suck it up, the Police have abrogated any protection for the public over the safety of law breakers.
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Looks like the police are too touchy feely to deal with the protesters at parliament. It's going to get huge now, and spread to other cities, police have de facto decriminalised it. Glad I don't live or work in a big smoke. I have no problem with them taking over the lawn, but abusing the public and blocking streets needs to be stopped. Feel real story for those nearby in Welly, my mate has been yelled at and threatened for wearing a mask, he's at risk due to severe asthma. Now getting to work takes as lot longer either way, to avoid the feral fluffybunnies at the protest.
Hope the Police are going to get a grilling after this. I thought they handled that day on the lawn well and that they backed off to come at it from another angle but they let the thing get way out of control. They've let numbers swell, the tent city grow and more and more vehicles arrive. The empty threats were called on and they wimped away.
I have to agree that now they can do fuck all but they should not have let it get to this position.Everyone now knows to stand up to the police and they will back off.
Now wait for a convoy of gangs to join in.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Question - is NZ who sets the rules as to what the police are allowed to do. Who would telling them on how aggressive they are allowed to be?
The Police themselves. Enforcement and operational matters are independant. Commissioner of Police and the executive team are that, an executive. IPCA have oversight for complaints, but the Police apply the law iaw the law, not govt directives. Gov writes the law, police enforce it (or in this case don't enforce it)
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Question - is NZ who sets the rules as to what the police are allowed to do. Who would telling them on how aggressive they are allowed to be?
The Police themselves. Enforcement and operational matters are independant. Commissioner of Police and the executive team are that, an executive. IPCA have oversight for complaints, but the Police apply the law iaw the law, not govt directives. Gov writes the law, police enforce it (or in this case don't enforce it)
Thanks, I was just wondering if I could blame Jacinda for something else.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Question - is NZ who sets the rules as to what the police are allowed to do. Who would telling them on how aggressive they are allowed to be?
The Police themselves. Enforcement and operational matters are independant. Commissioner of Police and the executive team are that, an executive. IPCA have oversight for complaints, but the Police apply the law iaw the law, not govt directives. Gov writes the law, police enforce it (or in this case don't enforce it)
Thanks, I was just wondering if I could blame Jacinda for something else.
NZP site:
The Commissioner of Police is accountable to the Minister of Police for the administration of police services, but acts independently in carrying out law enforcement decisions.
Haha not this one, politicians are very very careful about even commenting on police operational matters! I think in this one, Jacinda would be the hawk, not the dove!
This made me LOL
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Problem is, if the police were all aggro, things would turn ugly, but thier softer approach has failed as well.
I think the Govt has under estimated the feel of people who are against the mandates, I reckon they think all those there are unvaccinated anti-vaxxers.
I know fully vaccinated and boosted people that have gone down there from here, one lady is going again tomorrow and I dont think she has had to pay for flights either.
I am against the mandates, but not interested in going down, I did see someone had pitched a tent by a water treatment plant on Whau Valley road on Wednesday with sign wanting them to end mandates, I'll have to go see if they are still there...
One of the movements is that freedom coalition, which is the one Tamaki has his fingers in, automatically that is a no go for me.
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@taniwharugby at the start the majority were the unwashed. The original mob were the usual feral mob.
Because they have been allowed to establish a front the opportunity has arisen for others to jump onboard.Thing is though, we have a democratic system. Often views and voting is somewhere around 50/50 but that doesn’t mean that the winner has to bow to large numbers from the loser.
What I am getting at is that we could end up seeing a large counter protest that completely divides.
We are divided in nature by politics. In very general terms the right are more focused on the individual and the left a societal view and that is the crux of the mandates view -
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Once the government realised they weren't moving they shouldn't have acted like cowards and refused to talk to them. More gutless behaviour
it's fucking astounding how no one wants to talk to them
Far easier for politicians, aided by a super compliant media, to just label them feral anti-vaxer right wing agitators (i am sure the real hippies there loooove being called right wing agitators) and get the general public to do their work for them.
I for one hope it backfires spectacularly
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Once the government realised they weren't moving they shouldn't have acted like cowards and refused to talk to them. More gutless behaviour
it's fucking astounding how no one wants to talk to them
Far easier for politicians, aided by a super compliant media, to just label them feral anti-vaxer right wing agitators (i am sure the real hippies there loooove being called right wing agitators) and get the general public to do their work for them.
I for one hope it backfires spectacularly
Anything that makes this government appear mean, incompetent, disorganised, amateurish, I'm all good with. This mess is of their own making
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@canefan I think one of the issues was there is no 'leader' of the protest is there? It was arranged online and people started turning up, which made it harder trying to meet with someone to discuss bringing it to an end.
Plus, what is thier end game? Jacinda to come out and end mandates tomorrow? Or put a date on them ending, like July? October?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan I think one of the issues was there is no 'leader' of the protest is there? It was arranged online and people started turning up, which made it harder trying to meet with someone to discuss bringing it to an end.
Plus, what is thier end game? Jacinda to come out and end mandates tomorrow? Or put a date on them ending, like July? October?
that's a fair point
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perhaps i am giving the protestors too much credit
Dangerous and violent far right types
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300520915/the-real-dangers-lurking-in-the-freedom-convoy-protestsThis dude just thinks it's disparate groups of crazy people
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300521443/what-the-police-fail-to-understand-about-camp-freedomArticle after article just smashing them as a group of dangerous crazies. Perhaps they should be moved on.
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@mariner4life Stuff...hardly a balanced view, as I said above, I know people that were down last weekend and early this week and they said it was a great atmosphere, the 'torture' music Duck piped in backfired with people looking like they were at a festival.
I am sure there are plenty of ferals there though, and like with most stuff, will be the <5% fucking it up for the majority, but our media are pretty spineless and then when I click on Stuff they want me to donate money for the quality journalism they provide....
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life Stuff...hardly a balanced view, as I said above, I know people that were down last weekend and early this week and they said it was a great atmosphere, the 'torture' music Duck piped in backfired with people looking like they were at a festival.
I am sure there are plenty of ferals there though, and like with most stuff, will be the <5% fucking it up for the majority, but our media are pretty spineless and then when I click on Stuff they want me to donate money for the quality journalism they provide....
I strolled past the other day. Quite a few of them look like a shower wouldn’t go amiss and dreads on blokes damn near my Dads age are never a good look.
The whole thing felt like a really, really shit music festival.