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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean so given you've made your disdain for the Oz govt's course of action very clear, what mortality rate would you find acceptable and how would you feel about it if you were a 68 year old diabetic?
I'd start with the fluffybunny who stole my pushbike, anyone doing meth, then move on to meanderthals, people who can't drive, Karen on Facebook, or were you seriously asking for a bodycount?
My own father has diabetes. My grandfather is in his 90s. I've supported measures to protect them as much as reasonably possible and determining when we can recognise the restrictions on the daily lives of almost all citizens can be relaxed. I've also pointed out previously how many people die in Australia each year and we're now facing the very real possibility that more people will suffer serious psychological distress, commit suicide etc. over the next six months than will succumb from Covid 19 if the present trend continues as we all hope it does.
We don't put these measures in place for bad influenza seasons which take much the same cohort, so at some point there needs to be a serious examination of the requirement to continue down this path.
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to sort of add weight to that, there were 1,700 flu deaths in Australia in 2017 (my source the bureau of statistics, but i don't have a link), or 142 a month. Or 5 a day.
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Look I realise my concern for liberty is coming off pretty poorly, but I've been WFH for over three weeks and only ventured outside my apartment to get supplies. One of the governments here has determined I can't go see my siblings or take this enforced sabbatical from the office as an opportunity to stay on the farm. I supported the initial restrictions while pointing out the behaviour of universities offering financial incentives for Chinese students to evade travel bans. I called for greater isolation and monitoring of people confirmed to have Covid 19.
All I'm saying is we're doing tremendous social and economic damage and it's becoming evident that this level of response may be massive overkill.
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@mariner4life Thanks mate, still get the error so I am no closer to applying. The centrelink app just crashes when I try to get access.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Look I realise my concern for liberty is coming off pretty poorly, but I've been WFH for over three weeks and only ventured outside my apartment to get supplies. One of the governments here has determined I can't go see my siblings or take this enforced sabbatical from the office as an opportunity to stay on the farm. I supported the initial restrictions while pointing out the behaviour of universities offering financial incentives for Chinese students to evade travel bans. I called for greater isolation and monitoring of people confirmed to have Covid 19.
All I'm saying is we're doing tremendous social and economic damage and it's becoming evident that this level of response may be massive overkill.
What state are you in? Queensland? I too have been WFH for over three weeks, but under the 'lockdown' we have in NSW i can - go to the office if I want to, pop into JB Hifi, grab a takeaway coffee and some takeaway Malaysian, go for a long walk, go to the supermarket, chemist and gift shop nearby, get a haircut etc. My sibling is NZ and my Mum is in Queensland so I've got no chance of seeing them anyway. We're not at NZ stage yet, maybe I will start feeling shitty about it if we do get there, but at the moment it's really not that bad.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
i wouldn't mind at least some clarity around the situational requirements that bring about an end to the restrictions. They don't have to know when that will be, but surely they have some sort of idea of what the situation has to look like before we can have some shit back. I would find the fact that they don't reasonably alarming.
Fucking hell mate - he doesn't hold a test tube!
ScoMo already committed the nation to God. What more do you want? Sky Daddy is running the cutter now...
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
What state are you in? Queensland? I too have been WFH for over three weeks, but under the 'lockdown' we have in NSW i can - go to the office if I want to, pop into JB Hifi, grab a takeaway coffee and some takeaway Malaysian, go for a long walk, go to the supermarket, chemist and gift shop nearby, get a haircut etc. My sibling is NZ and my Mum is in Queensland so I've got no chance of seeing them anyway. We're not at NZ stage yet, maybe I will start feeling shitty about it if we do get there, but at the moment it's really not that bad.
I think moving from current status in NSW to NZ stage would probably upset a lot of people who have done the right thing so far.
Personally: still loving it Best bit is the local Catholic Schools Diocese pulled holidays forward a week, so the kids are effectively on their screens without a need for my supervision from now!
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
What state are you in?
Work in ACT. Family and farm are in QLD. We haven't adopted the lunacy of the other States and Territories (yet).
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Down to 91 new cases in NSW today, that's the first sub-100 number we've had in more than two weeks. In her presser the Chief Medico said rates of testing were still high, so it looks like it could be a reliable figure.
It seems with every passing day it's looking more likely we will avoid a US/Europe style medical catastrophe. Just the economic one to worry about, then...
I may have missed it, but has any official said under what circumstances the restrictions will be lifted?
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@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Down to 91 new cases in NSW today, that's the first sub-100 number we've had in more than two weeks. In her presser the Chief Medico said rates of testing were still high, so it looks like it could be a reliable figure.
It seems with every passing day it's looking more likely we will avoid a US/Europe style medical catastrophe. Just the economic one to worry about, then...
I may have missed it, but has any official said under what circumstances the restrictions will be lifted?
Welcome to the party Junior
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Down to 91 new cases in NSW today, that's the first sub-100 number we've had in more than two weeks. In her presser the Chief Medico said rates of testing were still high, so it looks like it could be a reliable figure.
It seems with every passing day it's looking more likely we will avoid a US/Europe style medical catastrophe. Just the economic one to worry about, then...
I may have missed it, but has any official said under what circumstances the restrictions will be lifted?
Welcome to the party Junior
Haha yes I wrote that in response to something a couple of pages ago and then ended up reading two more pages whinging about this exact point.
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@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Down to 91 new cases in NSW today, that's the first sub-100 number we've had in more than two weeks. In her presser the Chief Medico said rates of testing were still high, so it looks like it could be a reliable figure.
It seems with every passing day it's looking more likely we will avoid a US/Europe style medical catastrophe. Just the economic one to worry about, then...
I may have missed it, but has any official said under what circumstances the restrictions will be lifted?
Welcome to the party Junior
Haha yes I wrote that in response to something a couple of pages ago and then ended up reading two more pages whinging about this exact point.
🤣
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Look I realise my concern for liberty is coming off pretty poorly, but I've been WFH for over three weeks and only ventured outside my apartment to get supplies. One of the governments here has determined I can't go see my siblings or take this enforced sabbatical from the office as an opportunity to stay on the farm. I supported the initial restrictions while pointing out the behaviour of universities offering financial incentives for Chinese students to evade travel bans. I called for greater isolation and monitoring of people confirmed to have Covid 19.
All I'm saying is we're doing tremendous social and economic damage and it's becoming evident that this level of response may be massive overkill.
I agree with you mate. I think (and obviously hope) we have massively overplayed this. But time will tell. In the interim, I'll keep doing what I'm told and playing a straight bat.
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Looks like we had another good day yesterday according to https://www.covid19data.com.au/
Total cases 5362 is an increase of 4.38% over the day before. Keep it going....
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Way I see it we will never know if we over played it. But sure as hell know that US and Europe (most places) have underplayed it
I know which scenario I prefer. Read @R-L post about someone being told they’re not sick enough to get help when they’re struggling to breathe.
Yeah seasonal flu kills more but this thing is just getting warmed up. Every other pandemic has come in waves with the later ones much more dangerous than the initial. NZ pandemic planning modelled three waves. Basic maths. You don’t herd immunity until 85% have had it. In Oz with a 1% mortality rate that’s 220K dead people. That’s why governments are ‘over-reacting’ now not because of the handful who have died. Because of the masses that could.
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@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Down to 91 new cases in NSW today, that's the first sub-100 number we've had in more than two weeks. In her presser the Chief Medico said rates of testing were still high, so it looks like it could be a reliable figure.
It seems with every passing day it's looking more likely we will avoid a US/Europe style medical catastrophe. Just the economic one to worry about, then...
I may have missed it, but has any official said under what circumstances the restrictions will be lifted?
Welcome to the party Junior
Haha yes I wrote that in response to something a couple of pages ago and then ended up reading two more pages whinging about this exact point.
We should come up with a name for that...
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@junior said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Down to 91 new cases in NSW today, that's the first sub-100 number we've had in more than two weeks. In her presser the Chief Medico said rates of testing were still high, so it looks like it could be a reliable figure.
It seems with every passing day it's looking more likely we will avoid a US/Europe style medical catastrophe. Just the economic one to worry about, then...
I may have missed it, but has any official said under what circumstances the restrictions will be lifted?
Welcome to the party Junior
Haha yes I wrote that in response to something a couple of pages ago and then ended up reading two more pages whinging about this exact point.
We should come up with a name for that...
Alzheimers?
Coronavirus - Australia