Coronavirus - UK
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
Has anyone seen something on this that actually has some intellectual rigour behind it rather than just anecdotal fluff?
For me if trues this changes the whole argument about so called unavoidable deaths.
I can't find it tonight but I saw somewhere reputable that of those who get covid seriously (itself a small proportion, but age related), about 20% go on to get long covid. So not a material proportion of population.
SAGE does not see it a priority.
@Victor-Meldrew had it.
P.S. Post viral syndromes are quite well known.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
By long lasting they mean at least a year? What other issues did these people have and how did they rule out pre-existing conditions that might not have come to light prior to covid related hospital admission?
No one’s had it a year, but I think it’s defined as symptoms lasting more than 12 weeks.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
By long lasting they mean at least a year? What other issues did these people have and how did they rule out pre-existing conditions that might not have come to light prior to covid related hospital admission?
I was diagnosed with Post Viral Fatigue in May last year and it lasted into September. Any serious exercise immediately brought on muscle aches and dizziness. No previous conditions and I was doing loads of physical stuff previously.
Mrs M has def. had Covid (antibody tests) and the GP is 95% certain I had it as well. Very, very mild symptoms for me - hardly noticed it. Can't be 100% sure, but GP's pretty certain that's the virus which caused my problems
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
Headline. Very negative.
In the article - Intensive care consultant Matt Morgan said new treatments meant only the sickest patients were reaching intensive care, where outcomes were poorer.
Colour me not at all surprised.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
Headline. Very negative.
In the article - Intensive care consultant Matt Morgan said new treatments meant only the sickest patients were reaching intensive care, where outcomes were poorer.
Colour me not at all surprised.
Dr Morgan said: "Sadly, disease is an illness of deprivation".
"And so that's why we feel it, particularly in Wales where the industrial scars of our past are still very much there - and our health is there."
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Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Clearly you don't have young kids at home .... I'd put teachers above care homes right now!!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Clearly you don't have young kids at home .... I'd put teachers above care homes right now!!
I'd actually forcibly vaccinate them and drive them into their schools with electric cattle prods....
You have unsung people from all walks of life busting a gut to get us thru this without moaning - shop-workers, care home staff, delivery drivers, etc - and many teachers refusing to do online Zoom lessons as it "invades their privacy". Professionals my arse.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Clearly you don't have young kids at home .... I'd put teachers above care homes right now!!
You are poking the bear!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
Headline. Very negative.
In the article - Intensive care consultant Matt Morgan said new treatments meant only the sickest patients were reaching intensive care, where outcomes were poorer.
Colour me not at all surprised.
Dr Morgan said: "Sadly, disease is an illness of deprivation".
"And so that's why we feel it, particularly in Wales where the industrial scars of our past are still very much there - and our health is there."
Lazy science, lazy journalism.
This isn't about deprivation.
It's about generations of over indulgence of poor grade food, alcohol and cigarettes and for some an almost total abstinence of movement, exercise and fresh air.
The writing was on the wall from Day 1 that co-morbidities were/are a huge factor in who gets very sick and/or dies with COVID-19.
From Day 1 the Government could have said if you're overweight, eating and drinking shit, and sedentary here's your opportunity to change those things and put yourself in a better position to combat the virus.
Instead they've said
Stay home and wait for the vaccine
The Welsh people I know who were at risk in March 2020 have done nothing to change and help themselves.
Most have put on weight, done even less exercise and overall become less healthy.
A wasted opportunity by a chicken shit Government not strong enough to tell the people the hard facts of life.
And death.
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@MiketheSnow it was probably too late for those people. The horse had bolted long ago
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow it was probably too late for those people. The horse had bolted long ago
Possibly true.
But needs to be shouted from the mountain tops.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow it was probably too late for those people. The horse had bolted long ago
Possibly true.
But needs to be shouted from the mountain tops.
Will it be an educational moment for people who don't take care of themselves as they should? Probably not
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's about generations of over indulgence of poor grade food, alcohol and cigarettes and for some an almost total abstinence of movement, exercise and fresh air.
You could add in a movement away from manual jobs to desk-based jobs which causes all sorts of physical problems.
Another is noise. There's a big link between exposure to daily noise and heart disease.
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@MiketheSnow Clearly spoken by somebody whose Welsh and spends a lot of time in Japan!
And something I wholeheartedly agree with. If you read a balance of commentators on things, you'll notice they all have one thing common. A large expectance in change / the way we live in the post Covid-world. The problem is that this is somewhat split again between politics
One side thinks taxes should be higher on the rich & enabling the lower socio economic areas to have huge further government assistance to pull themselves up / endless supply of cash into the sludge of the NHS.
The other side thinks macro changes are really needed starting with an overhaul of how the NHS works and a more balanced campaign to get the UK to be healthier / more advanced.
What will likely happen is neither. And the same old shit will be spouted in 5 years time saying "why didn't we learn from this", with one side blaming the government, the other blaming the people. Truth somewhere in the middle.
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Latest excess death figures
15% rise on five-year average death figures
We reported a few minutes ago on newly-released figures for excess deaths in the UK during 2020.
Last year saw an increase above the five-year average number of deaths of about 15% - nearly 91,000 registered deaths.
But what does "excess deaths" mean?
It means the number of deaths above what we might expect to see in normal circumstances.
To work it out, you take the number of people who have died from any cause in a given period of time - a week or a month, say. You can then compare that with the average number of deaths that occurred in the same period usually over the previous five years.
It is one of the best measures of judging the death toll from coronavirus.
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Very sad to see this young lady pass away at the age of 25 but the images and her job (and that of her mother) tell you everything you need to know about how health and the NHS is perceived in Wales.