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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow I interpreted that as a different problem Mike. Kids with not enough to eat, which is a serious problem in itself rather than people simply eating shit food, which IMO is much the greater and wider problem. Not having enough to eat IS a problem you can solve with money. The other not so much.
Or am I missing your point?
I read it as malnutrition is an absence of essential food groups, vitamins and minerals i.e. poor food choices.
Not enough food is 'undernutrition'.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Some potentially good news.
"Update 13 Jan: Covid hospital admissions fall in London and the south east for first time since Xmas"
NHS deaths by date seems to be indicating that English mortality second wave peak will be 8 January, give or take a day.
Latest numbers suggest London and South East on way down (slightly) but other regions of England about to hit top.
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
I have often wondered how many co-morbidities are obesity related.
EDIT - no, that's not what I mean. How many people who died without co-morbidities are overweight / obese.
Wouldn't obesity be a comorbidity?
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Hancock has just announced 3 million vaccine doses given as of today. That's up from 2.6 million yesterday.
Seems to me that's 400k doses in one day, which is quite impressive.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
It's about generations of over indulgence of poor grade food, alcohol and cigarettes and for some an almost total abstinence of movement, exercise and fresh air.
You could add in a movement away from manual jobs to desk-based jobs which causes all sorts of physical problems.
Another is noise. There's a big link between exposure to daily noise and heart disease.
Never heard that before. How is the 'family' vaccination programme going? My daughter got hers Tuesday in Winchester.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
Never heard that before.
Came across it with my HS2 hat on. Noise is seriously bad for your health - particularly for certain age groups.
How is the 'family' vaccination programme going? My daughter got hers Tuesday in Winchester.
All had their first jab, Mrs M's daughter had her second. Interestingly, Mrs M Mum and Dad have been told not to expect a jab for at least 6 weeks as they have tested positive for Covid in the last month.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Police and shopkeepers who are public frontline and over, say, 30, have strong case. Hancock said Tuesday that they are looking at bumping them up order once over 70s done.
Teachers are dealing mainly with children, and social distancing other than where mishaps occur. Those over 60 or vulnerable ought already to be shielding, and should also be bumped up. Rest are safe.
Teachers dodn't seem to get that schools haven't been shut because they're unsafe but rather it's because of the risk of inmates taking infection into their households, at a time when NHS is creaking.
Back to your place in queue!
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German efficiency.....
German privacy laws force vaccine officials to guess people's ages from their names
People with 'old' names like Wolfgang or Waltraud more likely to receive letters offering vaccination
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
Never heard that before.
Came across it with my HS2 hat on. Noise is seriously bad for your health - particularly for certain age groups.
How is the 'family' vaccination programme going? My daughter got hers Tuesday in Winchester.
All had their first jab, Mrs M's daughter had her second. Interestingly, Mrs M Mum and Dad have been told not to expect a jab for at least 6 weeks as they have tested positive for Covid in the last month.
Great to hear front line vaccinated! My daughter got pretty fed up with the admin pallaver to get approved/registered, while meanwhile the admin staff were sneaking in when vaccination stations were quiet.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
German efficiency.....
German privacy laws force vaccine officials to guess people's ages from their names
People with 'old' names like Wolfgang or Waltraud more likely to receive letters offering vaccination
That's vaccination percentage of population.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
My daughter got pretty fed up with the admin pallaver to get approved/registered
Bloke whose field ia next to mine is a retired cardiologist. Totally out of clinical practice but still works for insurance companies doing underwriting.
Offered himself to do diagnosis of tests, charts etc which he can do from home and was gratefully received. NHS said he couldn't start until he'd done diversity, equal opportunity and gender training.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
My daughter got pretty fed up with the admin pallaver to get approved/registered
Bloke whose field ia next to mine is a retired cardiologist. Totally out of clinical practice but still works for insurance companies doing underwriting.
Offered himself to do diagnosis of tests, charts etc which he can do from home and was gratefully received. NHS said he couldn't start until he'd done diversity, equal opportunity and gender training.
Just crazy. People give UK Government heaps about their handling, but it took ministerial involvement to reduce training from 21 modules just to four! Your man would now be welcome.
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@R-L
May be in bad taste, but ever heard story about Samoan, Australian and Kiwi who discover magic lamp on desert island?
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@Victor-Meldrew is that to ensure he doesn't treat his pet dog better than the wild squirrels in his garden?
Its a mad world.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Police and shopkeepers who are public frontline and over, say, 30, have strong case. Hancock said Tuesday that they are looking at bumping them up order once over 70s done.
Teachers are dealing mainly with children, and social distancing other than where mishaps occur. Those over 60 or vulnerable ought already to be shielding, and should also be bumped up. Rest are safe.
Teachers dodn't seem to get that schools haven't been shut because they're unsafe but rather it's because of the risk of inmates taking infection into their households, at a time when NHS is creaking.
Back to your place in queue!
One area where I feel teachers do need some protection is where they are teaching children of front line workers. Such people are of a matter of course being exposed to much greater levels of risk and and despite the flow testing are still more than capable of unknowingly carrying the disease. Vaccinate the teachers that are looking after these kids and you break the chain. Quite where they fit in the queue though...?
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Police and shopkeepers who are public frontline and over, say, 30, have strong case. Hancock said Tuesday that they are looking at bumping them up order once over 70s done.
Teachers are dealing mainly with children, and social distancing other than where mishaps occur. Those over 60 or vulnerable ought already to be shielding, and should also be bumped up. Rest are safe.
Teachers dodn't seem to get that schools haven't been shut because they're unsafe but rather it's because of the risk of inmates taking infection into their households, at a time when NHS is creaking.
Back to your place in queue!
One area where I feel teachers do need some protection is where they are teaching children of front line workers. Such people are of a matter of course being exposed to much greater levels of risk and and despite the flow testing are still more than capable of unknowingly carrying the disease. Vaccinate the teachers that are looking after these kids and you break the chain. Quite where they fit in the queue though...?
Would be easier during lockdown as children of key workers only ones at school! Not so sure how it goes when all back together, but then again that will be after Feb half term.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
Absolutely right.
Starting to be increasing rumbles about other workers getting bumped up list: police, supermarket workers, teachers, etc.. Hard to get message to some people.
Police definitely and the shopworkers union (with supermarkets support) have made a really good and rational case for its members to be prioritised
Teachers aren't key workers who signed up for contact with the public though (as teaching unions have repeatedly stated) and have successfully campaigned to keep schools shut so they are low risk and I don't see the need for them to be prioritised...
Police and shopkeepers who are public frontline and over, say, 30, have strong case. Hancock said Tuesday that they are looking at bumping them up order once over 70s done.
Teachers are dealing mainly with children, and social distancing other than where mishaps occur. Those over 60 or vulnerable ought already to be shielding, and should also be bumped up. Rest are safe.
Teachers dodn't seem to get that schools haven't been shut because they're unsafe but rather it's because of the risk of inmates taking infection into their households, at a time when NHS is creaking.
Back to your place in queue!
One area where I feel teachers do need some protection is where they are teaching children of front line workers. Such people are of a matter of course being exposed to much greater levels of risk and and despite the flow testing are still more than capable of unknowingly carrying the disease. Vaccinate the teachers that are looking after these kids and you break the chain. Quite where they fit in the queue though...?
Would be easier during lockdown as children of key workers only ones at school! Not so sure how it goes when all back together, but then again that will be after Feb half term.
Yeah, I'm thinking more in the current circumstances. My friends daughter is such a teacher and feels quite conflicted. On the one hand she wants to work and help the front line workers, on the other hand she doesn't want to bring covid into her house and family. Very understandable.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew is that to ensure he doesn't treat his pet dog better than the wild squirrels in his garden?
Its a mad world.
Mrs M's daughter is a senior paediatric respite nurse. Tell me there are more NHS people disciplined/re-educated in her area for using the wrong gender/pronoun than for serious medical fuck-ups.
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