The Politics Quiz!
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@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
@canefan 100% this. We cannot contemplate anytime we know voting for Trump, for instance. Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
That is more a style thing though isn't it? What policy area would he be not be outflanked on the conservative side by either Brash or English?
You also can't take the politics out of the system where they are played - unicameral FPtP systems before they were reformed produced the likes of Joh Bjelke and Muldoon. Johnson is playing a very different game than what Key etc had too.
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@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
@canefan 100% this. We cannot contemplate anytime we know voting for Trump, for instance. Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
Absolute bullshit.
Right wingers exist everywhere in the same fashion. There is no difference other than the media portrayal and the localized reasons / battles.
A thicker skinned fantastic orator, following Trumps exact policies would have nothing of the troubles the Don has had.
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@MajorRage said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
@canefan 100% this. We cannot contemplate anytime we know voting for Trump, for instance. Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
Absolute bullshit.
Right wingers exist everywhere in the same fashion. There is no difference other than the media portrayal and the localized reasons / battles.
A thicker skinned fantastic orator, following Trumps exact policies would have nothing of the troubles the Don has had.
His combative bully boy nature has definitely caused him major problems. He isn't the first right wing politician in the US, and hardly the most right leaning.
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@photo-fox said in The Politics Quiz!:
VP Pence, as just one example is FAR more conservative than Trump. But he seems more
centristrational because he's an old-school politician who knows how to work a room, especially a room of reporters.Fixed
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@Toddy said in The Politics Quiz!:
I never voted Mana or Greens and my marker was smack bang in the middle of these 2
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I've got not idea how accurate it is to be honest. It doesn't fit my stereotypes of the party's but I generally don't keep up with all their policies.
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@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
@Toddy I haven't been keeping up, but ACT used to have a strong libertarian streak. Is that still there or are they still in their crazy fundamentalist christian alliance streak?
Plenty of libertarian-ish policies. Not sure what you mean about the Christian stuff. Seymour and his deputy advocated for the right to die legislation that pushed some towards other right wing parties
At a guess I would say the diagram is labelling punishing property crimes as authoritarian
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@Duluth said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
@Toddy I haven't been keeping up, but ACT used to have a strong libertarian streak. Is that still there or are they still in their crazy fundamentalist christian alliance streak?
Plenty of libertarian-ish policies. Not sure what you mean about the Christian stuff.
Thinking of the time they had John Banks and aligned with some christian conservatives. Trying to understand why a libertarian aligned party would register as authoritarian on the scale
/shrugs
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@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
In the early 80's Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Reagan's UN Ambassador and an ardent neocon, said that both Labour and National (Muldoon's National) were far to the left of the Democrats.
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@dogmeat said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
In the early 80's Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Reagan's UN Ambassador and an ardent neocon, said that both Labour and National (Muldoon's National) were far to the left of the Democrats.
Right now ACT would still be to the left of the Dems
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@canefan said in The Politics Quiz!:
@dogmeat said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
In the early 80's Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Reagan's UN Ambassador and an ardent neocon, said that both Labour and National (Muldoon's National) were far to the left of the Democrats.
Right now ACT would still be to the left of the Dems
On what issues though? There is no way all the major parties in NZ are to the left of the Dems on cultural issues. The most progressive states in the US beat NZ handily on gay marriage reform, weed legalization and generally have laxer abortion laws (24 weeks+)
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@rotated said in The Politics Quiz!:
@canefan said in The Politics Quiz!:
@dogmeat said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
In the early 80's Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Reagan's UN Ambassador and an ardent neocon, said that both Labour and National (Muldoon's National) were far to the left of the Democrats.
Right now ACT would still be to the left of the Dems
On what issues though? There is no way all the major parties in NZ are to the left of the Dems on cultural issues. The most progressive states in the US beat NZ handily on gay marriage reform, weed legalization and generally have laxer abortion laws (24 weeks+)
I'm not talking about the Sanders faction, the mainstream Dems would not push for social welfare, fully free medical care for all. But yeah the stuff you mentioned doesn't fit
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@rotated said in The Politics Quiz!:
@canefan said in The Politics Quiz!:
@dogmeat said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
In the early 80's Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Reagan's UN Ambassador and an ardent neocon, said that both Labour and National (Muldoon's National) were far to the left of the Democrats.
Right now ACT would still be to the left of the Dems
On what issues though? There is no way all the major parties in NZ are to the left of the Dems on cultural issues. The most progressive states in the US beat NZ handily on gay marriage reform, weed legalization and generally have laxer abortion laws (24 weeks+)
Death penalty would be a big one - I don't think any major NZ parties have seriously suggested its reintroduction since Bolger mused on the idea of a referendum in 1992, but there are still plenty of Democrats (particularly in Southern states) who think it should remain legal for treason and the worst murders. That said, we beat most states in that race, but not all.
Legality of prostitution is another - only Nevada has legalised it in the USA.
It's also hard to compare easily as at least some of those examples were legalised in the USA by the courts (for some things at a state level by the state supreme court, for other issues nationwide by SCOTUS), not the legislatures as happened here e.g. abortion and same sex marriage. Also, we legalised civil unions in the same year as the first state legalised same sex marriage, which was Massachusetts by order of the Massachusetts Supreme Court in 2004 (according to the unimpeachable oracle of all things internet, Wikipedia).