The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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We're playing the same game plan as 2015 with significantly worse players and hoping for the same results.
Actually that's not fair. 2015 we had more than 1 way to play.
Still better players but.
This is a new low for AB rugby as far as I am concerned. A supposedly superior team playing its 5th test against an inferior side playing it's first meaningful game?
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The Argentinians weren't even battle-hardened. Well done them.
But I also wonder if during the Bledisloe we have seen the limits to SB, kind of a shame he works hard. But there aren't many options at lock are there? -
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Brodie was young when he burst on the international scene, not that we necessarily have another Brodie in the pipeline but Vaai was a no name with barely any pro rugby and he has done well. I'd be trying out more players rather than hoping SB turns into a test quality player, and SW and PT find their form and don't get injuries.Edit: super annoyed how Will Jordan has been handled.
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This may be a ridiculously harsh comment, but it's worth noting that Patty T has started, and been found wanting, in two key AB losses: Soldier field and Parramatta.
My point is that I think we are looking for more than one world class lock.
I wouldn't pick one of the five starters today in a world team. We're in deep shit.
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We're playing the same game plan as 2015 with significantly worse players and hoping for the same results.
Actually that's not fair. 2015 we had more than 1 way to play.
Still better players but.
This is a new low for AB rugby as far as I am concerned. A supposedly superior team playing its 5th test against an inferior side playing it's first meaningful game?
Nails it for me.
The ABs' culture in the last four years has become backwards, arrogant and lazy in its thinking. Innovation has been stifled. Inward looking (almost narcissistic), self-congratulatory and complacent. What you sow, you reap.
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@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Had he quit yet? Cos of he had any resurrect he fucking we should've.
Still going eh bro? Bender!
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Had he quit yet? Cos of he had any resurrect he fucking we should've.
Still going eh bro? Bender!
Fake news!
Has he quit yet? Cos of he had any respect he fucking well should've.
Fucking phone
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Also massive raspberries to the usual media types trotting out the "it's only a game" and "don't take anything away from Argentina by criticising the team".
I can't think of a bigger complement than taking the loss seriously and making major changes after it.
We don't need to be spitting at racehorses again but the media is way too chummy. Can someone except the usual moaners start making some serious sustained criticism of this side. If the media did their job the Foster appointment may not have slipped through the radar.
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@rotated said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We don't need to be spitting at racehorses again but the media is way too chummy.....If the media did their job the Foster appointment may not have slipped through the radar.
Sumo Stevenson is the worst offender here. He decided a few years ago that he could get more gigs by being a toady to NZR and the AB coaches. He regularly serves up sick-inducing sycophancy. Puff piece after puff piece after puff piece. The cumulative effect is to swell up certain people's heads who should know better
We need the media to be critical friends to the AB bosses not their mates.
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@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@sparky Not any more, he's moved on now to Spark. Much more confrontational
While we all need a day job, his views are often conveniently strident towards his wage payers, and strongly against any doubters of them.
He was quick to put the boot into the ‘armchair critics’ of the cards last week, but I wonder whether he’s said much about the similar views of Sir JK and his fellow panelists.
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based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough. -
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
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@canefan I see your 1998 and raise you the spectre that is 2020
"This role always comes with pressure and what I feel now is [a] massive disappointment that I haven't achieved what I wanted to achieve in the last two games," says Foster.
"It's the second week in a row that we haven't shown good composure when things weren't going our way. We got rattled again and that's something we will have to work on," says Foster.
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@Donsteppa said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@sparky Not any more, he's moved on now to Spark. Much more confrontational
While we all need a day job, his views are often conveniently strident towards his wage payers, and strongly against any doubters of them.
I think this is the point that shits me most with Sumo but there are others. If you are getting paid to cover something you can't turn around and lecture others about it not being important.
He has been critical of those outside of his mates, Hansen copped it for the RWC while he wrote Read's biography for example.
I wish we could get back to the days where the most prominent voices were ex-ABs and those seriously invested in the long term health of NZ Rugby.
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
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Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
