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More and more it's looking like Antifa is responsible for starting a lot of the violence at the protests. Lots of black people on Twitter talking about it, with footage to back up what they are saying.
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@Siam Coleman Hughes is fantastic. Another person worth looking up is Chloe Valdary who is in a similar mould. A real voice of reason.
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
More and more it's looking like Antifa is responsible for starting a lot of the violence at the protests. Lots of black people on Twitter talking about it, with footage to back up what they are saying.
Yet the actual Mayor of Minneapolis refuses to call out this obvious point, that this is LEFT wing violence.
It's those dastardly white supremacists again - they hate it so much when a white cop kills a black man that they riot.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Yet the actual Mayor of Minneapolis refuses to call out this obvious point, that this is LEFT wing violence.
Why on earth does it matter how the protestors might vote? This is a big part of the problem, people just view this through whatever political prism they choose to.
The truth is it's a multi-faceted problem with many causes and no easy solutions. Republicans and Democrats share blame equally.
But as long as people see this as either 'dirty left wing protestors' or 'corrupt right wing MAGA cops' then this problem is just going to keep getting worse and worse.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
Yet the actual Mayor of Minneapolis refuses to call out this obvious point, that this is LEFT wing violence.
Why on earth does it matter how the protestors might vote? This is a big part of the problem, people just view this through whatever political prism they choose to.
The truth is it's a multi-faceted problem with many causes and no easy solutions. Republicans and Democrats share blame equally.
But as long as people see this as either 'dirty left wing protestors' or 'corrupt right wing MAGA cops' then this problem is just going to keep getting worse and worse.
...and a president that stirs up divisiveness.
Next problem will be because of this......https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5283349002?__twitter_impression=true
âQualified immunityâ.
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@barbarian
Its important the public know who is doing the rioting.This is left wing violence.
To a certain extent, these left wing rioters are emboldened because the people in charge are so afraid to be heavy-handed because "police brutality" will be their rallying cry if they are dealt with severely (which they should be)
I would be looking to protect people's businesses and livelihoods and showing no mercy with this scum.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@barbarian
Its important the public know who is doing the rioting.This is left wing violence.
Why? What purpose does knowing their political view serve?
Surely it's more relevant to consider their age, place of residence, race, income if you actually want to understand who they are and why they are doing it.
But sadly it seems in America now the only relevant fact is if you're on the blue team or the red team.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@barbarian
Its important the public know who is doing the rioting.This is left wing violence.
To a certain extent, these left wing rioters are emboldened because the people in charge are so afraid to be heavy-handed because "police brutality" will be their rallying cry if they are dealt with severely (which they should be)
I would be looking to protect people's businesses and livelihoods and showing no mercy with this scum.
You have really focused on the wrong thing here.
âLeft wingâ is Not the reason people are rioting.
Have a think about why riots happening who participates when they do.
It is nothing to do with left or right wing. The catalyst may be something that affects one part of society more than another but usually it is civil unrest that gets out of control with subsequent escalation then opportunism.
I would guess that plenty of the cops are Democrats. I would guess that plenty of the rioters donât even give a shit about left/right.
Thereâs no excuse for law breaking. Iâm not trying to justify anything. However, there is a perception right or wrong, that blacks are dealt with by cops differently and assumptions are made that different. The point is that until demonstrative actions are taken to halt these instances of overkill by white police against black citizens this will continue to create flashpoints. That onus is on all govts, dem or repub.
the moment you start finger pointing at left or right and categorising people you are looking to divide.
Can I ask you this? In your job do you have people of different ways of thinking and working in your team? People that approach life differently?
Just like rugby, it takes all sorts to create a good team. Why is it that when it comes to political views you canât accept that as well, and instead look to divide the team?
So many advancements in society have come from this so-called âleftâand from protestors stretching acceptance. So many other good things have come from the so called ârightâ.
Critique and discuss, choose who is best to. Manage at particular times, call out dicks for being dicks, but FFS quit this categorisation, name calling and blaming bullshit that seeks to entrench divisiveness.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Critique and discuss, choose who is best to. Manage at particular times, call out dicks for being dicks, but FFS quit this categorisation, name calling and blaming bullshit that seeks to entrench divisiveness.
Rant over.Would you really feel the same way if someone pointed the finger at the right wing in these circumstances
And there is a difference between protesting and rioting
and are you sure
" Iâm not trying to justify anything. However, there is a perception right or wrong, that blacks are dealt with by cops differently and assumptions are made that different. The point is that until demonstrative actions are taken to halt these instances of overkill by white police against black citizens this will continue to create flashpoints " -
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Critique and discuss, choose who is best to. Manage at particular times, call out dicks for being dicks, but FFS quit this categorisation, name calling and blaming bullshit that seeks to entrench divisiveness.
Rant over.Would you really feel the same way if someone pointed the finger at the right wing in these circumstances
Yes
And there is a difference between protesting and rioting
Correct
and are you sure
" Iâm not trying to justify anything. However, there is a perception right or wrong, that blacks are dealt with by cops differently and assumptions are made that different. The point is that until demonstrative actions are taken to halt these instances of overkill by white police against black citizens this will continue to create flashpoints "Try some basic comprehension.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
I would be looking to protect people's businesses and livelihoods and showing no mercy with this scum.
Be tough checking to see which way the business/livelihood owners voted before you protect them though. Be gutting to get it wrong eh!
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@Crucial
I should have been more specific in assigning blame.
Those responsible are the far left group Antifa plus a bunch of angry losers who want a free TV and like to see things burn.And also this guy in Minnesota I know called Pete.
He used to be a peaceful dude.
But he saw Trump's tweet about looters and shooters.
He thought, fuck that, that is not unifying leadership!!!!!!!!!
Who the fuck does that orange baboon think he is?????????
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I'm going to start rioting. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@barbarian
Its important the public know who is doing the rioting.This is left wing violence.
To a certain extent, these left wing rioters are emboldened because the people in charge are so afraid to be heavy-handed because "police brutality" will be their rallying cry if they are dealt with severely (which they should be)
I would be looking to protect people's businesses and livelihoods and showing no mercy with this scum.
You have really focused on the wrong thing here.
âLeft wingâ is Not the reason people are rioting.
Have a think about why riots happening who participates when they do.
It is nothing to do with left or right wing. The catalyst may be something that affects one part of society more than another but usually it is civil unrest that gets out of control with subsequent escalation then opportunism.
I would guess that plenty of the cops are Democrats. I would guess that plenty of the rioters donât even give a shit about left/right.
Thereâs no excuse for law breaking. Iâm not trying to justify anything. However, there is a perception right or wrong, that blacks are dealt with by cops differently and assumptions are made that different. The point is that until demonstrative actions are taken to halt these instances of overkill by white police against black citizens this will continue to create flashpoints. That onus is on all govts, dem or repub.
the moment you start finger pointing at left or right and categorising people you are looking to divide.
Can I ask you this? In your job do you have people of different ways of thinking and working in your team? People that approach life differently?
Just like rugby, it takes all sorts to create a good team. Why is it that when it comes to political views you canât accept that as well, and instead look to divide the team?
So many advancements in society have come from this so-called âleftâand from protestors stretching acceptance. So many other good things have come from the so called ârightâ.
Critique and discuss, choose who is best to. Manage at particular times, call out dicks for being dicks, but FFS quit this categorisation, name calling and blaming bullshit that seeks to entrench divisiveness.
Rant over.I don't think we've got the luxury of denying the right left divide this late into the game. Any solutions will need to cater for the blue red divide, we can't just magic them away now because it makes looking at past events uncomfortable. ( for example these riots are escalations of what we've seen by Antifa who were outspoken about their side of the political divide). A definite tactic by democrats to not meet social unrest with action. Not unfair to suggest this laid the ground for recent behaviours, add in a lockdown too.
This is delicious coming in the wake of your Trump critiques:
but FFS quit this categorisation, name calling and blaming bullshit that seeks to entrench divisiveness.
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