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'This scenario isn’t just plausible: it’s probable.'
'Wolf Blitzer announces that DeSantis has won the election, and millions of people pour into the streets to protest. They’re met with a hail of bullets as Republican-affiliated militias have been rehearsing for this exact moment.'
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Putting aside the mass shooting extrapolation (which wasn't helpful) for a second, why do you believe that the part about States voting in spite of the popular vote isn't possible or likely given what we have seen happen so far and what's now happening?
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Heard of Hartman and the bloke seems a bit of a fruitcake who argues the 2000 & 2004 elections were rigged by Dubya and Spanish-language radio stations are involved in a conspiracy to push Republican propaganda.
But it's an interesting read you posted and wonder if we are starting to see the demonization of the SCOTUS by the US Left in the same way Trump, QAnon & MAGA demonised Election officials in 2020.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in US Politics:
Time 20201107: "In a forceful and eloquent victory speech Saturday night, President-elect Joe Biden vowed to usher in "a time to heal" in America."
I have a friend in Pennsylvania who tells me that's what she is certain the US public wants - someone who may do their own thing but who shows respect to the opposing viewpoint.
Biden has had opportunity after opportunity to do just that, but seems determined to copy Trump in ramping up the devise rhetoric.
I suspect that if there was a presidential candidate who respectfully acknowledged opposing viewpoints they would be a very popular winner of the election.
I also suspect that there's little chance of that happening in the near future, because such a candidate would have no hope of winning their party's primary.
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
Putting aside the mass shooting extrapolation (which wasn't helpful) for a second, why do you believe that the part about States voting in spite of the popular vote isn't possible or likely given what we have seen happen so far and what's now happening?
Absolutely. Adding the bit about militia shooting protesters and police assisting them was pointless, and weakens the article.
The rest of it seems on point though. Hard to say whether it's probable or just possible, but the fact that the mechanism for states to ignore the results exists (or could exist very soon) is scary enough.
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
Putting aside the mass shooting extrapolation (which wasn't helpful) for a second, why do you believe that the part about States voting in spite of the popular vote isn't possible or likely given what we have seen happen so far and what's now happening?
I knew that the requirement for the electoral college votes weren't legislated in every State to reflect the popular vote or proportional representation. I feel if such an event happened, it would quickly become a constitutional issue anyway.
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@gibbon-rib said in US Politics:
The rest of it seems on point though. Hard to say whether it's probable or just possible, but the fact that the mechanism for states to ignore the results exists (or could exist very soon) is scary enough.
May be wrong, but I think there are a few states who have never actually removed their Jim Crow laws.
According to august journals and serious, celebrated liberal politicians, the SCOTUS is soon going to ban contraception, made gay sex illegal and allow deliberate discrimination against anyone who isn't straight and male.
I'm sure we won't have to wait long for someone to claim the court has definite plans to repeal the 1964 rulings and bring back Jim Crow & segregation
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@Victor-Meldrew I need to re-read it but it was (apparently) telling that Justice Thomas referenced other decisions that were linked or made on a similar basis to Roe v Wade. But the decision about interracial marriage wasn't listed even though it sits with contraception and same sex marriage. If all of that is true, and there is a LOT of shit to wade through (sorry, I had too!) to get accurate info, then I could see some people be nervous about those other rights.
More interesting to me is the statements of the last 2-3 Justices' that they wouldn't repeal Roe v Wade - they were possibly framing that they wouldn't initiate it, but neglected to say that they'd overturn it if it came up via other means, but that's some murky shit imo. -
Yeah, his argument is that those decisions are made on the same basis, while the others said this one only covers abortion... who knows.
Collins and a few other senators look like extreme chumps as they apparently got (some sort of) 'guarantee' from these justices that Roe wouldn't be on the table. Idiots.
Edit: The real big thing is that Kavanaugh now seems to be the swing vote, rather than the Chief justice, which is a lot of power in a junior justice's hands.
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@gt12 so the key to future judgements is throwing an epic keg party and getting Big K onboard!
I don't know how much trust to place in the Justices as they go through their confirmation hearings. But all sorts of vids are doing the rounds of at least three of them (including 2 of the last 3 appointments) saying they wouldn't touch Roe v Wade. So they were either lying or dancing around the truth by saying they wouldn't do anything, but not saying that if it came up they'd rule against it.
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@gt12 so the key to future judgements is throwing an epic keg party and getting Big K onboard!
I don't know how much trust to place in the Justices as they go through their confirmation hearings. But all sorts of vids are doing the rounds of at least three of them (including 2 of the last 3 appointments) saying they wouldn't touch Roe v Wade. So they were either lying or dancing around the truth by saying they wouldn't do anything, but not saying that if it came up they'd rule against it.
US politics appears to have descended into a contest of who can best express their outrage and contempt for those with differing political views. We've seen it with MAGA & Trump and now we are getting the Hilary Clinton-style attacks on the "deplorable" members of the SCOTUS.
Fuck the facts, fuck reasoning, fuck any coherent political philosophy - it's all about conspiracy theories and finding targets to attack to assuage the need to express feelings.
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"For the first time in 50 years, national office seekers will have to specify their positions. Democrats will be forced either to stand firm on an unpopular extreme or moderate their positions and anger their base further. As of now, they cannot decide…”
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File under cognitive dissonance and sloganeering.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/04/1109367458/my-body-my-choice-vaccines
“Now that anti-vaccination groups have laid claim to "My Body, My Choice," abortion rights groups are distancing themselves from it — marking a stunning annexation of political messaging.
“"It's a really savvy co-option of reproductive rights and the movement's framing of the issue," said Lisa Ikemoto, a law professor at the University of California-Davis Feminist Research Institute. "It strengthens the meaning of choice in the anti-vaccine space and detracts from the meaning of that word in the reproductive rights space."
“Celinda Lake, a Democratic strategist and pollster based in Washington, D.C., said "My Body, My Choice" is no longer polling well with Democrats because they associate it with anti-vaccination sentiment.
“What's really unique about this is that you don't usually see one side's base adopting the message of the other side's base — and succeeding," she said. "That's what makes this so fascinating."
“Jodi Hicks, president of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California, acknowledged that the appropriation of abortion rights terminology has worked against the reproductive rights movement.” […]
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“For Joe Biden, the calls are now coming from inside the house. … Obama political guru David Axelrod said the administration looks “out of control.””
https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/you-know-its-bad-for-biden-he-lost-debra-messing/
When you’ve lost Debra Messing…
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Translation: Everyone hates him, but he makes us so much money, gosh-darrnit, we’ll just gave to do the whole thing again, give him a shitload of freebies and promotional assistance and try a little harder this time. #Charity
It’s likely a twitter effect, where everything the candidate posts gets amplified by paid media. I suspect DeSantis is going to get plenty of free promotion this cycle for the same reason, he and his COS use the platform extensively.
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It would be interesting to see those free media stats if you took out Trumps own tweets
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