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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
the fact people see this multi millionaire/billionaire with solid gold bathrooms and tv shows as anything but one of the "elite" is baffling
Whole swathes of the population have been left behind economically, abandoned and regarded as beyond the pale by mainstream politicians.
I guess charlatans like Orange Donald come across as a bit different and play to the crowd, selling them simplistic solutions and feeding their prejudices. Add in that Trump's detractors play his game and you can see the attraction.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I guess charlatans like Orange Donald come across as a bit different and play to the crowd, selling them simplistic solutions and feeding their prejudices. Add in that Trump's detractors play his game and you can see the attraction.
He seems to be genuine on
Antiwar. This is enough by itself for me
Anti climate change. converting to zero carbon will destroy the West
Closed border
Energy changesThe above is enough.
But for those who are pro-war (as you seem to be). And believe all this climate change nonsense etc. Orange Trump is a charlatan.
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@W32 said in US Politics:
@Tim that’s what I used to think. Surely they will see reason and admit that the election wasn’t “stolen”. But they don’t. They double down. It’s nauseating .
Having a very corrupted Justice system (as the Trump fine clearly showed) doesn't help.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
He seems to be genuine on
Antiwar. This is enough by itself for me
Anti climate change. converting to zero carbon will destroy the West
Closed border
Energy changesThe above is enough.
But for those who are pro-war (as you seem to be). And believe all this climate change nonsense etc. Orange Trump is a charlatan.
Anti-war is great - it's not true but you'd be hard-pressed to find too many of Joe Public who are pro-war. And your climate change opinions, while utter nonsense, are well known so no surprise there. But I'm pretty sure you neither live in the US nor are you a citizen? Why would you care in the slightest about their border policy?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I guess charlatans like Orange Donald come across as a bit different and play to the crowd, selling them simplistic solutions and feeding their prejudices. Add in that Trump's detractors play his game and you can see the attraction.
He seems to be genuine on
Antiwar. This is enough by itself for me
Anti climate change. converting to zero carbon will destroy the West
Closed border
Energy changesThe above is enough.
But for those who are pro-war (as you seem to be). And believe all this climate change nonsense etc. Orange Trump is a charlatan.
Why are you anti war for the west but pro war for Putin?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I guess charlatans like Orange Donald come across as a bit different and play to the crowd, selling them simplistic solutions and feeding their prejudices. Add in that Trump's detractors play his game and you can see the attraction.
He seems to be genuine on
Antiwar. This is enough by itself for me
Anti climate change. converting to zero carbon will destroy the West
Closed border
Energy changesThis is why I'd vote for Trump. He's clear what he stands for, and I agree with enough of it to risk the fruitloop element of his personality. With the Dem's, it's quite clear that Biden is too old, which means we'd either be in a situation of an incapacitated president or an unknown string puller of a puppet. Given how much of the Dems want to focus on culture wars, I don't view this as a good thing.
But for those who are pro-war (as you seem to be). And believe all this climate change nonsense etc. Orange Trump is a charlatan.
I don't get this. There is irrefutable evident of climate change to at least some degree & VM doesn't seem overly pro-war to me.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
Anti-war is great - it's not true but you'd be hard-pressed to find too many of Joe Public who are pro-war. And your climate change opinions, while utter nonsense, are well known so no surprise there. But I'm pretty sure you neither live in the US nor are you a citizen? Why would you care in the slightest about their border policy?
This is a forum for debating political issues, thus why Winger cares is not really a valid discussion point.
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
There is irrefutable evident of climate change
This is for another thread.
But Trump accepts the science but not the money flowing to Gods know who.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
There's been no evidence presented,
Didn't the US Supreme Court stop this occurring
If the Supreme court heard both sides. Where both sides could make their case without threats of being sued. Then the public might have faith in the election process. Now a lot don't
No. The supreme court did not stop evidence from being presented. There wasn't any evidence. That's the point.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@W32 said in US Politics:
@Tim that’s what I used to think. Surely they will see reason and admit that the election wasn’t “stolen”. But they don’t. They double down. It’s nauseating .
Having a very corrupted Justice system (as the Trump fine clearly showed) doesn't help.
Trump appointed 3 supreme court judges while in Office. The supreme court has more conservative (republican) judges than liberal (democrat)
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@MajorRage said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I guess charlatans like Orange Donald come across as a bit different and play to the crowd, selling them simplistic solutions and feeding their prejudices. Add in that Trump's detractors play his game and you can see the attraction.
He seems to be genuine on
Antiwar. This is enough by itself for me
Anti climate change. converting to zero carbon will destroy the West
Closed border
Energy changesThis is why I'd vote for Trump. He's clear what he stands for, and I agree with enough of it to risk the fruitloop element of his personality. With the Dem's, it's quite clear that Biden is too old, which means we'd either be in a situation of an incapacitated president or an unknown string puller of a puppet. Given how much of the Dems want to focus on culture wars, I don't view this as a good thing.
But for those who are pro-war (as you seem to be). And believe all this climate change nonsense etc. Orange Trump is a charlatan.
I don't get this. There is irrefutable evident of climate change to at least some degree & VM doesn't seem overly pro-war to me.
String puller puppet or supreme leader? The choice isn't great. I would argue that Trump increasingly surrounds himself with yes men. His cognition is also in serious decline.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@MajorRage said in US Politics:
There is irrefutable evident of climate change
This is for another thread.
But Trump accepts the science but not the money flowing to Gods know who.
No. Trump doesn't accept the science. He accepts what is best for his agenda.
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Some interesting thoughts on replacing Biden. You sense a non-senile, articulate, moderate-sounding Dem candidate would do pretty well against an aging Orange Donald.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4484546-progressives-plan-b-to-avoid-a-trump-biden-rematch/
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
Some interesting thoughts on replacing Biden. You sense a non-senile, articulate, moderate-sounding Dem candidate would do pretty well against an aging found liable for rape, 4 times indicted, 91 felony facing insurrectionist Orange Donald.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4484546-progressives-plan-b-to-avoid-a-trump-biden-rematch/
You missed s few bits out of Trumps description.
Aging politicians who outstay their usefulness seems ingrained in American Politics at the moment.
They dont seem willing to let go of power.
Just look how many 80+ year olds are elected lawmakers. Dianne Feinstein who died late last year was over 90! -
ARe these Judges incompetent? Or corrupt. Or both.
Voters brought their case over Trump's behavior on January 6 , 2021, when he allegedly violated the anti-insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment. Porter delayed her ruling from taking effect in light of an unexpected appeal brought by the former president's legal team.
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