Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years
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Inspired by the AB thread. This is for TEST cricket only.....
Sir Paddles
Hogan
DV
Rossco
KWSurprisingly straightforward and the fact a couple of those mentioned probably aren’t ‘World’ greats indicates the difference between this and our Rugby team.
In my opinion three guys walk in ( one more emphatically than the other two ) but interested if anyone has any genuine contenders instead of Vettori and Taylor.
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Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
In my opinion three guys walk in ( one more emphatically than the other two ) but interested if anyone has any genuine contenders instead of Vettori and Taylor.
Bond? Amazing, if shortened, test record. 87 wickets at 22 from 18 tests - with a heap against Aus in Aus puts him right up there for me.
Vettori is the most marginal for mine. Amazing for us - but a gently turning spinner in NZ, who never ran through sides consistently, even in helpful conditions is tough. The batting was a bonus.
wait - are we including all three forms, or just tests? If all three, I'll withdraw and apologise, but there are other names to come in then
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Paddles, Kane, and Crowe.
The rest are going to be substandard.
I've watched Taylor hole out to midwicket in a test, then trudge off looking at the bottom of his bat waaaaay too many times to want to put him in there.
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
In my opinion three guys walk in ( one more emphatically than the other two ) but interested if anyone has any genuine contenders instead of Vettori and Taylor.
Bond? Amazing, if shortened, test record. 87 wickets at 22 from 18 tests - with a heap against Aus in Aus puts him right up there for me.
Vettori is the most marginal for mine. Amazing for us - but a gently turning spinner in NZ, who never ran through sides consistently, even in helpful conditions is tough. The batting was a bonus.
wait - are we including all three forms, or just tests? If all three, I'll withdraw and apologise, but there are other names to come in then
Bond isn’t in contention for me simply cos he played fuck all tests, we all remember how brilliant he was. Actually this counts against Cairns too who missed as many as he played, son of Lance came bloody close though.....and I do know he polarises a few here.
Vettori gets there through longevity, guts, effort, captaincy and the fact he held together some fucken terrible sides at times. I wish he was playing now, he’d thrive in this team.
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Paddles, Kane, and Crowe.
The rest are going to be substandard.
I've watched Taylor hole out to midwicket in a test, then trudge off looking at the bottom of his bat waaaaay too many times to want to put him in there.
I can’t disagree but we’re not spoilt for other compelling choices.
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
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@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
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Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
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@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
you've been waiting years for this eh. Quality trolling.
On the other hand, if the list were 'assholes who played cricket', you'd be in like Flynn (Haddin only counts twice yo)
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
you've been waiting years for this eh. Quality trolling.
On the other hand, if the list were 'assholes who played cricket', you'd be in like Flynn (Haddin only counts twice yo)
Snap!
Don't forget 'Pup'
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Don't forget 'Pup'
eh, who amongst us hasn't tried to choke out the holder of the team song...
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Always tough for a keeper who isn’t called Gilly to get a mention. Also McCullums record isn’t that incredible, plus don’t forget he played loads as a specialist batsman.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@antipodean said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Chris Cairns could secure a result like very few. Allegedly my lawyer has advised me to say.
His test career was squeaky clean.
That’s good enough for me. Onya Chris !
Beats Vettori on both counts in the allrounder category. Paddles beats them both by virtue of a hugely superior bolwing stat
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@antipodean said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Chris Cairns could secure a result like very few. Allegedly my lawyer has advised me to say.
His test career was squeaky clean.
That’s good enough for me. Onya Chris !
Beats Vettori on both counts in the allrounder category. Paddles beats them both by virtue of a hugely superior bolwing stat
With Vettori being a spinner it’s fair to saying bowling averages don’t always tell the whole story ( after all quite a few average better than Warnie )
Cairns was ‘better’ than DV but loses out through all the tests he missed
Paddles batting stats are pretty irrelevant to be honest. He coulda been worse than Chris Martin and he woulda been picked here.
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Dan gets my vote if nothing else for the years he spent carrying us. Bowl a shitload on an unsuitable deck. Take wickets. Also keep the scoring rate down. Also come in at 5-120 and score 70-odd to avoid the follow-on. I'm surprised he can walk given his back must be wrecked.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Fellas, my advice is to concede gracefully. Example:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you've been waiting years for this eh. Quality trolling.
On the other hand, if the list were 'assholes who played cricket', you'd be in like Flynn (Haddin only counts twice yo)
Legendary arseholes who were also great players would still get to 5 fairly easily over here for Test and ODI.
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you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
I would stick Gilly in.
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
You still going on the arseholes thing?
Waugh probably gets out of that, just.
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@nzzp I'd like to have Bond ahead of Vettori but I don't think you can with that few tests.
Vettori was a great servant and made the most of his abilities but wasn't truly world class.
Far from my favourite player but I think it has to be Turner. Average of 47 when there were no muppets. Two Double centuries in drawn series in Caribbean. Century in each innings at Chch to beat Oz. Basically carried the team at least as much as Vettori did. Capable of batting time or going mad. 100 centuries. 300 in a day at 1st class level. Total piston wristed gibbon at times but for me has to be there.
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
Not without a serious set of arguments.
And don't do it over at Wisden's FB page - as @MN5 knows, there are about a thowwwwwwsand Indian blokes ready to laugh at any selection you make and claiming that none of them are worthy unless they scored a century (even the bowlers) against a Tendulkar-led Indian team. Everything else is invalid.
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@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
Not without a serious set of arguments.
And don't do it over at Wisden's FB page - as @MN5 knows, there are about a thowwwwwwsand Indian blokes ready to laugh at any selection you make and claiming that none of them are worthy unless they scored a century (even the bowlers) against a Tendulkar-led Indian team. Everything else is invalid.
So a bit like here and rugby then?
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Williamson
Crowe
Hadlee
Boult
CairnsI want to pick Vettori ahead of Cairns, but he probably only misses out due to fact he was usually only saving games rather than winning them. I know that's harsh on Danny Boy, as he was a bloody champ in a very under performing team.
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@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
Not without a serious set of arguments.
And don't do it over at Wisden's FB page - as @MN5 knows, there are about a thowwwwwwsand Indian blokes ready to laugh at any selection you make and claiming that none of them are worthy unless they scored a century (even the bowlers) against a Tendulkar-led Indian team. Everything else is invalid.
Fuck they’re funny, their broken English insults are the best.
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
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i love going on them and talking about how Tendulkar is the most over rated cricketer of all time.
And Dhoni was no more than average
bobs and vagane
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Windies
Richards
Marshall
Lara
Ambrose
Still deciding on a fifth -
India
Gavaskar
Dev
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli -
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
India
Gavaskar
Dev
Tendulkar
Dravid
KohliKohli is a fucking gun.
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SA
Kallis
Pollock S
Donald
Steyn
Still deciding on a fifth -
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
India
Gavaskar
Dev
Tendulkar
Dravid
KohliKohli is a fucking gun.
No bowlers make my list, not surprising
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
SA
Kallis
Pollock S
Donald
Steyn
Still deciding on a fifthHansie Cronje
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@MN5 I can't believe I missed Gilchrist. What a player
Smith up to 05? Not sure
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
SA
Kallis
Pollock S
Donald
Steyn
Still deciding on a fifthNtini
Smith
ABD
PhilanderTake your pick
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
SA
Kallis
Pollock S
Donald
Steyn
Still deciding on a fifthHansie Cronje
Yeah nah
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
bobs and vagane
Whoosh.
Did you just get an auto correct on boobs and vagina?
