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    • MN5
      MN5 last edited by Duluth

      Inspired by the AB thread. This is for TEST cricket only.....

      Sir Paddles
      Hogan
      DV
      Rossco
      KW

      Surprisingly straightforward and the fact a couple of those mentioned probably aren’t ‘World’ greats indicates the difference between this and our Rugby team.

      In my opinion three guys walk in ( one more emphatically than the other two ) but interested if anyone has any genuine contenders instead of Vettori and Taylor.

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      • Crucial
        Crucial last edited by

        Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

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        • nzzp
          nzzp @MN5 last edited by

          @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

          In my opinion three guys walk in ( one more emphatically than the other two ) but interested if anyone has any genuine contenders instead of Vettori and Taylor.

          Bond? Amazing, if shortened, test record. 87 wickets at 22 from 18 tests - with a heap against Aus in Aus puts him right up there for me.

          Vettori is the most marginal for mine. Amazing for us - but a gently turning spinner in NZ, who never ran through sides consistently, even in helpful conditions is tough. The batting was a bonus.

          wait - are we including all three forms, or just tests? If all three, I'll withdraw and apologise, but there are other names to come in then

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          • mariner4life
            mariner4life last edited by

            Paddles, Kane, and Crowe.

            The rest are going to be substandard.

            I've watched Taylor hole out to midwicket in a test, then trudge off looking at the bottom of his bat waaaaay too many times to want to put him in there.

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            • MN5
              MN5 @nzzp last edited by MN5

              @nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

              @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

              In my opinion three guys walk in ( one more emphatically than the other two ) but interested if anyone has any genuine contenders instead of Vettori and Taylor.

              Bond? Amazing, if shortened, test record. 87 wickets at 22 from 18 tests - with a heap against Aus in Aus puts him right up there for me.

              Vettori is the most marginal for mine. Amazing for us - but a gently turning spinner in NZ, who never ran through sides consistently, even in helpful conditions is tough. The batting was a bonus.

              wait - are we including all three forms, or just tests? If all three, I'll withdraw and apologise, but there are other names to come in then

              Bond isn’t in contention for me simply cos he played fuck all tests, we all remember how brilliant he was. Actually this counts against Cairns too who missed as many as he played, son of Lance came bloody close though.....and I do know he polarises a few here.

              Vettori gets there through longevity, guts, effort, captaincy and the fact he held together some fucken terrible sides at times. I wish he was playing now, he’d thrive in this team.

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              • MN5
                MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                Paddles, Kane, and Crowe.

                The rest are going to be substandard.

                I've watched Taylor hole out to midwicket in a test, then trudge off looking at the bottom of his bat waaaaay too many times to want to put him in there.

                I can’t disagree but we’re not spoilt for other compelling choices.

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                • NTA
                  NTA @Crucial last edited by

                  @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                  Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

                  Mate just try to get to 5 first 😉

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                  • MN5
                    MN5 @NTA last edited by MN5

                    @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                    @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                    Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

                    Mate just try to get to 5 first 😉

                    You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.

                    Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.

                    Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.

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                    • Crucial
                      Crucial last edited by

                      Tests:

                      M Crowe
                      KW
                      R Taylor
                      Hadlee

                      Considering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.

                      If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)

                      @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                      @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                      @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                      Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

                      Mate just try to get to 5 first 😉

                      You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.

                      Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.

                      Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.

                      He would if 'A' stood for asshole.

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                      • nzzp
                        nzzp @NTA last edited by

                        @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                        @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                        Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

                        Mate just try to get to 5 first 😉

                        you've been waiting years for this eh. Quality trolling.

                        On the other hand, if the list were 'assholes who played cricket', you'd be in like Flynn (Haddin only counts twice yo)

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                        • Crucial
                          Crucial @nzzp last edited by

                          @nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                          @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                          @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                          Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

                          Mate just try to get to 5 first 😉

                          you've been waiting years for this eh. Quality trolling.

                          On the other hand, if the list were 'assholes who played cricket', you'd be in like Flynn (Haddin only counts twice yo)

                          Snap!

                          Don't forget 'Pup'

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                          • nzzp
                            nzzp @Crucial last edited by

                            @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                            Don't forget 'Pup'

                            eh, who amongst us hasn't tried to choke out the holder of the team song...

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                              antipodean last edited by

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                              • MN5
                                MN5 @Crucial last edited by

                                @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                Tests:

                                M Crowe
                                KW
                                R Taylor
                                Hadlee

                                Considering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.

                                If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)

                                @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                Test? ODI? Seperate lists?

                                Mate just try to get to 5 first 😉

                                You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.

                                Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.

                                Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.

                                He would if 'A' stood for asshole.

                                Always tough for a keeper who isn’t called Gilly to get a mention. Also McCullums record isn’t that incredible, plus don’t forget he played loads as a specialist batsman.

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                                • MN5
                                  MN5 @antipodean last edited by

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                                  • Crucial
                                    Crucial @MN5 last edited by

                                    @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                    @antipodean said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                    Chris Cairns could secure a result like very few. Allegedly my lawyer has advised me to say.

                                    His test career was squeaky clean.

                                    That’s good enough for me. Onya Chris !

                                    Beats Vettori on both counts in the allrounder category. Paddles beats them both by virtue of a hugely superior bolwing stat

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                                    • MN5
                                      MN5 @Crucial last edited by MN5

                                      @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                      @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                      @antipodean said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                      Chris Cairns could secure a result like very few. Allegedly my lawyer has advised me to say.

                                      His test career was squeaky clean.

                                      That’s good enough for me. Onya Chris !

                                      Beats Vettori on both counts in the allrounder category. Paddles beats them both by virtue of a hugely superior bolwing stat

                                      With Vettori being a spinner it’s fair to saying bowling averages don’t always tell the whole story ( after all quite a few average better than Warnie )

                                      Cairns was ‘better’ than DV but loses out through all the tests he missed

                                      Paddles batting stats are pretty irrelevant to be honest. He coulda been worse than Chris Martin and he woulda been picked here.

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                                      • mariner4life
                                        mariner4life last edited by

                                        Dan gets my vote if nothing else for the years he spent carrying us. Bowl a shitload on an unsuitable deck. Take wickets. Also keep the scoring rate down. Also come in at 5-120 and score 70-odd to avoid the follow-on. I'm surprised he can walk given his back must be wrecked.

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                                        • NTA
                                          NTA @MN5 last edited by NTA

                                          @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                          You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.

                                          @Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                          He would if 'A' stood for asshole.

                                          Fellas, my advice is to concede gracefully. Example:

                                          @nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                          you've been waiting years for this eh. Quality trolling.

                                          😉

                                          On the other hand, if the list were 'assholes who played cricket', you'd be in like Flynn (Haddin only counts twice yo)

                                          Legendary arseholes who were also great players would still get to 5 fairly easily over here for Test and ODI.

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                                          • mariner4life
                                            mariner4life last edited by

                                            you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

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                                            • nzzp
                                              nzzp @mariner4life last edited by

                                              @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                              you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                              McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)

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                                              • mariner4life
                                                mariner4life @nzzp last edited by

                                                @nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                                McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)

                                                I would stick Gilly in.

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                                                • Snowy
                                                  Snowy @nzzp last edited by

                                                  @nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                  @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                  you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                                  McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)

                                                  You still going on the arseholes thing?

                                                  Waugh probably gets out of that, just.

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                                                  • dogmeat
                                                    dogmeat @nzzp last edited by

                                                    @nzzp I'd like to have Bond ahead of Vettori but I don't think you can with that few tests.

                                                    Vettori was a great servant and made the most of his abilities but wasn't truly world class.

                                                    Far from my favourite player but I think it has to be Turner. Average of 47 when there were no muppets. Two Double centuries in drawn series in Caribbean. Century in each innings at Chch to beat Oz. Basically carried the team at least as much as Vettori did. Capable of batting time or going mad. 100 centuries. 300 in a day at 1st class level. Total piston wristed gibbon at times but for me has to be there.

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                                                    • NTA
                                                      NTA @mariner4life last edited by

                                                      @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                      you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                                      Not without a serious set of arguments.

                                                      And don't do it over at Wisden's FB page - as @MN5 knows, there are about a thowwwwwwsand Indian blokes ready to laugh at any selection you make and claiming that none of them are worthy unless they scored a century (even the bowlers) against a Tendulkar-led Indian team. Everything else is invalid.

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                                                      • Snowy
                                                        Snowy @NTA last edited by

                                                        @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                        @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                        you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                                        Not without a serious set of arguments.

                                                        And don't do it over at Wisden's FB page - as @MN5 knows, there are about a thowwwwwwsand Indian blokes ready to laugh at any selection you make and claiming that none of them are worthy unless they scored a century (even the bowlers) against a Tendulkar-led Indian team. Everything else is invalid.

                                                        So a bit like here and rugby then?

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                                                        • G
                                                          Gunner last edited by Gunner

                                                          Williamson
                                                          Crowe
                                                          Hadlee
                                                          Boult
                                                          Cairns

                                                          I want to pick Vettori ahead of Cairns, but he probably only misses out due to fact he was usually only saving games rather than winning them. I know that's harsh on Danny Boy, as he was a bloody champ in a very under performing team.

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                                                          • MN5
                                                            MN5 @NTA last edited by

                                                            @NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                            @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                            you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                                            Not without a serious set of arguments.

                                                            And don't do it over at Wisden's FB page - as @MN5 knows, there are about a thowwwwwwsand Indian blokes ready to laugh at any selection you make and claiming that none of them are worthy unless they scored a century (even the bowlers) against a Tendulkar-led Indian team. Everything else is invalid.

                                                            Fuck they’re funny, their broken English insults are the best.

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                                                            • MN5
                                                              MN5 @nzzp last edited by

                                                              @nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                              @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                              you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005

                                                              McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)

                                                              Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?

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                                                              • mariner4life
                                                                mariner4life last edited by

                                                                i love going on them and talking about how Tendulkar is the most over rated cricketer of all time.

                                                                And Dhoni was no more than average

                                                                bobs and vagane

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                                                                • MN5
                                                                  MN5 last edited by

                                                                  Windies

                                                                  Richards
                                                                  Marshall
                                                                  Lara
                                                                  Ambrose
                                                                  Still deciding on a fifth

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                                                                  • MN5
                                                                    MN5 last edited by

                                                                    India

                                                                    Gavaskar
                                                                    Dev
                                                                    Tendulkar
                                                                    Dravid
                                                                    Kohli

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                                                                    • mariner4life
                                                                      mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                                                                      @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                      India

                                                                      Gavaskar
                                                                      Dev
                                                                      Tendulkar
                                                                      Dravid
                                                                      Kohli

                                                                      Kohli is a fucking gun.

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                                                                      • MN5
                                                                        MN5 last edited by

                                                                        SA

                                                                        Kallis
                                                                        Pollock S
                                                                        Donald
                                                                        Steyn
                                                                        Still deciding on a fifth

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                                                                        • MN5
                                                                          MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                          @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                          @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                          India

                                                                          Gavaskar
                                                                          Dev
                                                                          Tendulkar
                                                                          Dravid
                                                                          Kohli

                                                                          Kohli is a fucking gun.

                                                                          No bowlers make my list, not surprising

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                                                                          • mariner4life
                                                                            mariner4life @MN5 last edited by

                                                                            @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                            SA

                                                                            Kallis
                                                                            Pollock S
                                                                            Donald
                                                                            Steyn
                                                                            Still deciding on a fifth

                                                                            Hansie Cronje

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                                                                            • nzzp
                                                                              nzzp @MN5 last edited by

                                                                              @MN5 I can't believe I missed Gilchrist. What a player

                                                                              Smith up to 05? Not sure

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                                                                                Gunner @MN5 last edited by

                                                                                @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                                SA

                                                                                Kallis
                                                                                Pollock S
                                                                                Donald
                                                                                Steyn
                                                                                Still deciding on a fifth

                                                                                Ntini
                                                                                Smith
                                                                                ABD
                                                                                Philander

                                                                                Take your pick

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                                                                                • MN5
                                                                                  MN5 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                  @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                                  @MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                                  SA

                                                                                  Kallis
                                                                                  Pollock S
                                                                                  Donald
                                                                                  Steyn
                                                                                  Still deciding on a fifth

                                                                                  Hansie Cronje

                                                                                  Yeah nah

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                                                                                  • Snowy
                                                                                    Snowy @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                    @mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:

                                                                                    bobs and vagane

                                                                                    Whoosh.

                                                                                    Did you just get an auto correct on boobs and vagina?

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