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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Maybe the real privilege is having money and the organisations that lump the colour of someone's skin in along with financial status are the real racists causing societal harm.
And such a bloody waste of talent.
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@Godder said in British Politics:
Having money is the real privilege.
I'd argue having good parents who value education and hard work is more important than money...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Godder said in British Politics:
Having money is the real privilege.
I'd argue having good parents who value education and hard work is more important than money...
Both do better than either though.
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I imagine there a few on here that may be interested in the plight of Laurence Fox.
Essentially he's a b-list actor (in the true word, not in a negative way) who dared on TV to disagree with the notion that Markle was not heavily criticised because she is not 100% white. He then said that Britain was the most open tolerant country in Europe. In the face of this, he was then called a white privileged male, at which point he got upset and said that is blatant racism.
Anyway, obviously doing this puts him right on top of the central divide of woke vs anti-woke. He was part of an actors union which then immediately disassociated themselves with him. He got lawyers and they backed down big time. But essentially it ruined his career in acting. Although it arguably made him much more famous.
Anyway he's kept plodding along making statement every now and again but recently he's started up a political party. Which is actively against the woke movement & is trying to reclaim what being truly liberal is really about. However, he's had a bit of a shitty start. Basically sainsbury's released a statement about how they created safe spaces for black people during BLM & are addressing their ethnic pay -gap concerns. Fox basically said this is pathetic and refused to shop there ... so the twitterati (including a large amount of blue-ticks) has called him a racist on the back of these comments. So he responded in kind calling a couple of them paedophiles. Based on nothing, to make the point that they can't just call him a racist based on nothing.
So obviously this has hugely kicked off ... hugely. Some are taking legal action and it's all going quite viral.
Its fascinating stuff, and the implications of how these things go will be interesting.
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@MajorRage He’s making a brave stand and I hope he gains some traction. Though in talking to many from my kids’ generation I despair that is already entrenched and too late.
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@MajorRage have him on Twitter as I agreed with his anti-woke stance. Not sure how I got in to him. Gone off him a bit as some of his tweets have been a bit less considered.
Suspect this may be a calculated gambit from him though.
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He's probably a bit new at this and doesn't understand fully how deep it goes and the ideology and institutions underpinning wokeness. Kinda like how Candace Owen's in the US shot to stardom in the conservative space before properly understanding the movement and made her own fair share of gaffs. Hopefully he comes right. There needs to be a moderate party that stands up strongly against the madness (conservatives are appearing full of hot-air) as there are some actual extremely worrying groups like Patriotic Alternative waiting in the wings hoping things get bad enough in the UK that they become a realistic option.
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Suspended because of comments he made today on the report which he played down - and said the anti-semitism issue was blown up out of proportion for political reasons. Refused to retract them apparently.
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@Victor-Meldrew He repeated Rebecca Long-Bailey's error of thinking he was unsackable.
Good riddance!
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New Labour people like Mandelson & Adonis gloating at his suspension. A few videos now on Twitter appearing to show Starmer in late 2019 supporting Corbyn and saying he didn't accept that Corbyn had made Labour unsafe for Jewish members.
Good to see Labour moving in the right direction, but we could be in for months, if not years, of civil war as we had 20-30 years ago.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
New Labour people like Mandelson & Adonis gloating at his suspension. A few videos now on Twitter appearing to show Starmer in late 2019 supporting Corbyn and saying he didn't accept that Corbyn had made Labour unsafe for Jewish members.
Good to see Labour moving in the right direction, but we could be in for months, if not years, of civil war as we had 20-30 years ago.
And anyone thinking Starmer is the solution are more deluded than Corbyn supporters.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
New Labour people like Mandelson & Adonis gloating at his suspension. A few videos now on Twitter appearing to show Starmer in late 2019 supporting Corbyn and saying he didn't accept that Corbyn had made Labour unsafe for Jewish members.
Good to see Labour moving in the right direction, but we could be in for months, if not years, of civil war as we had 20-30 years ago.
And anyone thinking Starmer is the solution are more deluded than Corbyn supporters.
Not a fan of Starmer? I think he's been saying the right things, and comes across very well. Like any politician though, I'd like to see him putting some clear policies in place to push, other than just saying the current government is shit. He did lose a fair bit of my goodwill though with his call for a two week circuit breaker lockdown. Evidence for that is pretty non existent from my own readings.
Starmer, and the Labour parties biggest problem is their extreme left fanboys and MP's. There isn't really an equivalent of UKIP that has any real foothold on the far left, hence the likes of Owen Jones & Co put their weight behind the Labour party. I don't think I have it in me to vote for any party which has him as a member, and has the likes of Abbott, Lammy (pre 2020 Lammy, to be fair), Whittome & Long Bailey as MP's.
Momentum is the worst thing to ever happen to Labour. That movement needed it's own political party. I only hope Starmer agrees with me on that one. The sacking of Long-Bailey & the suspension of Corbyn suggests to me that he may. I would probably find a Momentum-less Labour led by Starmer a more enticing vote proposition than a Boris led Conservatives.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
New Labour people like Mandelson & Adonis gloating at his suspension. A few videos now on Twitter appearing to show Starmer in late 2019 supporting Corbyn and saying he didn't accept that Corbyn had made Labour unsafe for Jewish members.
Good to see Labour moving in the right direction, but we could be in for months, if not years, of civil war as we had 20-30 years ago.
And anyone thinking Starmer is the solution are more deluded than Corbyn supporters.
Not a fan of Starmer? I think he's been saying the right things, and comes across very well. Like any politician though, I'd like to see him putting some clear policies in place to push, other than just saying the current government is shit. He did lose a fair bit of my goodwill though with his call for a two week circuit breaker lockdown. Evidence for that is pretty non existent from my own readings.
Starmer, and the Labour parties biggest problem is their extreme left fanboys and MP's. There isn't really an equivalent of UKIP that has any real foothold on the far left, hence the likes of Owen Jones & Co put their weight behind the Labour party. I don't think I have it in me to vote for any party which has him as a member, and has the likes of Abbott, Lammy (pre 2020 Lammy, to be fair), Whittome & Long Bailey as MP's.
Momentum is the worst thing to ever happen to Labour. That movement needed it's own political party. I only hope Starmer agrees with me on that one. The sacking of Long-Bailey & the suspension of Corbyn suggests to me that he may. I would probably find a Momentum-less Labour led by Starmer a more enticing vote proposition than a Boris led Conservatives.
Like saying which would you rather, a punch to the cock or a kick to the balls?
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@MiketheSnow Punch to the cock always. Balls are much worse.
I really happily voted for Boris at the last election, no problems. And had this pandemic not arrived, I suspect he would even be further ahead in the polls right now. However, he hasn't handled the pandemic well - poor communication & even worse handling of the toxic media (which he was once a part of) seriously questions his credentials for mine.
I've previously applauded his not give a shit about the media attitude, but the longer it goes on, I'm less convinced that this is his stance & perhaps he actually doesn't have a clue.
It would be bloody nice to see a lot more of him at the moment that's for sure.
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Starmer's a huge improvement but I've been turned-off recently by how he's politicised the Covid crisis. His plan to shut down businesses in Cornwall because people in London, Manchester etc couldn't abide by the rules went down, really, really badly here.
Still don't know what he stands for and that's an issue for me. Is he an opportunist who'll say whatever is needed for political gain or is he someone who really will bridge divides?
Think it could well be Starmer v Sunak at the next election. A rich, white, millionaire from rich London family v self-made son of Asian NHS immigrant workers from Yorkshire contest would pose some problems for Starmer. It's interesting Labour have been attacking Rishi Sunak as a rich elitist and obviously see him as a serious threat.
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I have a sneaking suspicion BoJo is going to get Brexit finished, re-allocate spending to the North and put place some serious (and needed) changes to how government is run and then resign in a year or two.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
Starmer's a huge improvement but I've been turned-off recently by how he's politicised the Covid crisis. His plan to shut down businesses in Cornwall because people in London, Manchester etc couldn't abide by the rules went down, really, really badly here.
Yep, exactly what I meant by the circuit breaker. Lets shut the whole country for the sake of ... well, politics really.
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@Victor-Meldrew Corbyn should have been kicked out of Labour in the 2000s. He was indulged by Blair and Brown because they had once shared an office with him. It was obvious to anyone who bothered to look that Corbyn had certain views that were incompatible with the aims of an anti-racist party.
Deeply embarrassing for Starmer, Rayner and the current Labour Leadership that less than 12 months ago, they were working hard to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister of the UK.
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