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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
The game must surely be up for Boris now.
Sleaze, lies, party gate. He's just toxic.
Javed & Sunak have resigned on the back of it. It's impossible to understate how big this is.
He's got to go. And quickly.
Oh he's toast. And people who never wanted him leader will say "I told you so"
But I think the Tory party is so split and divided it isn't going to make any difference to their chances at the next election - no matter who is or was Leader. Johnson winning the election & Covid kept the lid on things but once that was over the knives - which he stupidly sharpened for his critics with his behavior - were out.
Javed & Sunak an alliance to put the first non-Caucasian in power?
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My two cents.
Sunak is a tax-raiser so probably won't get the support of the "cut taxes to zero" wing of the party. Javid is/was an ardent remainer so the Brexit fundamentalists will not want him.
The party is all over the place and whoever replaces Johnson will have a huge job to do. Meanwhile no-one is prepared to tell the people the economy is fucked, drowning it debt and is going to get worse.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
My two cents.
Sunak is a tax-raiser so probably won't get the support of the "cut taxes to zero" wing of the party. Javid is/was an ardent remainer so the Brexit fundamentalists will not want him.
The party is all over the place and whoever replaces Johnson will have a huge job to do. Meanwhile no-one is prepared to tell the people the economy is fucked, drowning it debt and is going to get worse.
Pretty clear Sunak wanted to say that but BoJo wanted to be more upbeat from his resignation statement.
All 3 things are imminently fixable with the right approach if you ask me.
But it seems more likely it’s going to go the other way until such time that people actually get real.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
All 3 things are imminently fixable with the right approach if you ask me.
The last time the government got by without borrowing billions was over 21 years ago. Debt per person is now £75k per taxpayer & unfunded public sector pension liabilities of around £40k per taxpayer. Will take a lot of pain and time to fix.
But it seems more likely it’s going to go the other way until such time that people actually get real.
People still believe in free lunches and politicians keep telling people they have easy solution - the magic money tree. Could be we are heading into a re-run of late-70's politics with high inflation, public borrowing to prop up crap industries and a collapsing economy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
Could be we are heading into a re-run of late-70's politics with high inflation, public borrowing to prop up crap industries and a collapsing economy.
Heading?
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I was thinking more of the UK where the country basically went bankrupt.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
The last time the government got by without borrowing billions was over 21 years ago. Debt per person is now £75k per taxpayer & unfunded public sector pension liabilities of around £40k per taxpayer. Will take a lot of pain and time to fix.
Debt per person is higher, but it's also considerably cheaper. You'll notice this is a global phenomena and not consigned just to the UK. Important thing is to ensure that you can pay your interest payments and can withstand a shock to the economy. The local banks are in a much better situation than they once were with this due to the capital they must hold etc. FWIW I think Rishi has been too conservative here (perhaps mixing up running a country with running a business), whilst Boris is too far the other way. Rishi's resignation letter basically says that too. Remember, there is never any sort of obligation to pay it back - it's not like buying a house. Government debt is there to finance / prop up economies during times of stress & then be reduced during times of growth. These are 10+ year cycles (and often much much larger). The UK was originally coming to the end of the increase cycle (and was/is still far far beneath medium term peaks)
People still believe in free lunches and politicians keep telling people they have easy solution - the magic money tree. Could be we are heading into a re-run of late-70's politics with high inflation, public borrowing to prop up crap industries and a collapsing economy.
Under Boris, I have no doubt that this will happen, which is why he really needs to go. The UK economy is pretty resilient, and it's now facing it's first real test outside the EU. It's crucial that we work with them and not try to divide in my view. The UK has to play the deregulation card which will upset the EU, but it should be used as a friendly tactic. Boris is simply far too hostile here and has no respect from European leaders. He's not the right man.
i personally think the tech card is the key play. I would be prepared to take on more debt to remove all energy liabilities and push towards renewables/nuclear. This is a longer term play, but one that positions the country to be far less effected by global events & also increases the attractiveness as a destination for the younger mind. This is where the levelling up process should be focused. What this also means in the short term, is using the shale gas resources & looking at electrical generation options. Wind, tidal, solar (I know I know ...) & propping them up with nuclear. It's the way forwards. Working with Scotland, working with Northern Ireland, working with the struggling towns in the North.
I also think the key thing is to tear apart the NHS, bit by bit, and work out where the costs. But I'd outline this very clearly to the public that there will be no cuts to free public healthcare but it will systemically change. Can ou imagine walking into consulting firms and saying, we've got a colossal budget for you to make the NHS much more efficient. Lay down the parameters and make it clear what needs to be done.
The UK must get healthier, it must get cleaner & it must get greener. Taking on more debt to do this will start to pay off very very quickly. Quite possibly within a budget year.
Throwing money at free lunches / shitty industries will buy a few votes, but achieve nothing else. It must change.
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All a bit too coherent and sensible for on here mate.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
All a bit too coherent and sensible for on here mate.
As I started writing it, I realised I'm actually quite passionate about it. The UK is very very uniquely positioned compared to others on the planet right now. IT needs to take advantage of this & not be hampered by it.
Change for the right reasons, driven by the right people, could jet propel this country. It really could.
But it's not going to happen under Boris. His job is done.
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Do we really think whatever shit show rocks up after Boris is going to be an improvement though? It'll all still end in the media taking over with bollocks "issues" and people moaning we're getting distracted from the true issues, like that tory on Kay this morning.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
Do we really think whatever shit show rocks up after Boris is going to be an improvement though? It'll all still end in the media taking over with bollocks "issues" and people moaning we're getting distracted from the true issues, like that tory on Kay this morning.
Part of the media issues are Boris' complete inability to control them. Because he doesn't care.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
Do we really think whatever shit show rocks up after Boris is going to be an improvement though? It'll all still end in the media taking over with bollocks "issues" and people moaning we're getting distracted from the true issues, like that tory on Kay this morning.
Part of the media issues are Boris' complete inability to control them. Because he doesn't care.
And quite frankly they've been an irrelevance to him
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Legend
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Honest questions
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What has Sajid Javid done politically?
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Will he be missed?
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Honest questions
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What has Sajid Javid done politically?
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Will he be missed?
He's the next PM according to some punters. Probably wouldn't be missed then!
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Fuck me. Look at the resignations 😳
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A little quiz:
Name the last Tory PM (apart from Cameron who resigned) who didn't face a leadership challenge/Vote of confidence in the last 62 years
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
A little quiz:
Name the last Tory PM (apart from Cameron who resigned) who didn't face a leadership challenge/Vote of confidence in the last 62 years.
Maggie?
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