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@Catogrande she might be overtaken in the dumb stakes within a week. South Wales police idiotically denying they were following these kids that died... and then the CCTV comes out...
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@Catogrande she might be overtaken in the dumb stakes within a week. South Wales police idiotically denying they were following these kids that died... and then the CCTV comes out...
Way more to this story
E bikes and scooters are the vehicles of choice for fast food deliverers and drug runners in this neck of the woods (a mile up the road from me)
My guess is the police were in pursuit (as shown on the CCTV footage) then the boys evaded them most probably by going up a one way system / through a pedestrian area
then shot out into traffic and got smashed to smithereens by the busBBC Verify have verified there were no police vehicles on Snowden Road when the fatal crash took place
Quick response because they were under 1km away and must have known it was the kids they were chasing
Lots of people from outside the area took the opportunity to act like fluffybunnies and start burning cars and throwing shit
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Think you guys have bought the media beat up. Dont think she did anything wrong here myself.
Be glad to see the back of her tho.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Think you guys have bought the media beat up. Dont think she did anything wrong here myself.
Based on?
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@MiketheSnow yeah to be clear, I've no issue at all with the following (I live in South London and they have the same use here), it's the pointless denial of the following that is dumb.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow yeah to be clear, I've no issue at all with the following (I live in South London and they have the same use here), it's the pointless denial of the following that is dumb.
Think they were waiting for all the info/evidence
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@Bones what I've read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65681010
What is wrong with any of this?
A government source told the BBC the senior minister had been "concerned" about her insurance premiums, and favoured doing a course. She is reported to have asked civil servants about a one-on-one course, citing security concerns about doing one as part of a group. She was told it was not a matter for the civil service.
She then asked a special adviser to try to arrange a private course.
When the speed course provider said there was no option to do this, Mrs Braverman opted to pay the fine and accept the points, because she was "very busy" a source told the BBC. By this point she had been reappointed as home secretary in Mr Sunak's government.
The same government source refused to say whether Mrs Braverman's motivation to do the course in private was to reduce the chances of her being recognised by members of the public -
@MajorRage what is wrong with that, is that there is an option to arrange a speed course privately (from what I've seen), so it makes me doubt the validity of the whole statement. I'd also seen that (I think) a special adviser denied the speeding ticket even happened.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
get a private one because of security concerns.
No problem with that, but why would she be told it's not an option? It definitely is.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
No problem with that, but why would she be told it's not an option? It definitely is.
I have no idea why she was given bad information. Most of the furore seems to be that she asked somebody, who may or may not be qualified, about it. Which basically means that she can't talk about anything. If she did ask, it's quite possible it was in a social context. Or it wasn't. Either way, I don't really care - it's very far down the list of things people should be, and are, concerned about. Except for certain media.
@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage and are you denying her aide denied the speeding offence?
I'm not denying anything. If her aide lied, then her aide lied. Is that a sackable offence for SB or for her aid? I don't think it is for SB. I do note though, that the main papers pushing this are the Guardian & the Mirror.
Which immediately brings whether or not this is true or not into the realm.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
.It was originally denied by one of her team,
TBF, the "denial" allegation is from the Daily Mirror and even from their version of the alleged conversation, it's pretty unclear whether there was any actual denial.
but the issue is she was trying to get her aides to arrange it, instead of doing it herself.
It's hardly outrageous a Cabinet Minister should ask her people to organise something like a 1-1 course for her. Particularly as being Home Secretary raises significant security issues.
You are allowed to arrange a private session - but still, when you're a rich fuck in the public eye that gets driven around most of the time anyway, just pay the fine and take the fucking points. She only did so after being reported.
It's one set of rules for everyone. You seem to be saying Braverman should be denied the opportunity of taking a course as she's in the public eye and has a ministerial car for official duties.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage you see it as she was given bad information... not that she's giving bad information?
I see it as a stitch up, that's all! We'll end up going around in circles if we keep going.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@MajorRage what is wrong with that, is that there is an option to arrange a speed course privately (from what I've seen), so it makes me doubt the validity of the whole statement.
But she was told that there wasn't an option to arrange a speed course privately - which is why she took the points. If any other citizen was told the same and then found out he could have avoided the points, there'd be fucking outrage.
As @MajorRage says, the whole thing comes across as confected outrage - whether by Labour-leaning civil servants or Tory party politis is anyone's guess.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
It's one set of rules for everyone. You seem to be saying Braverman should be denied the opportunity of taking a course as she's in the public eye and has a ministerial car for official duties.
I seem to be saying nothing of the sort. Where do you read I've said she should be denied that opportunity? She's more than welcome to that opportunity, probably as welcome as I would be to go and take food from a foodbank.
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
It's hardly outrageous a Cabinet Minister should ask her people to organise something like a 1-1 course for her. Particularly as being Home Secretary raises significant security issues.
You seem to be saying there's no problem with government aides being asked to do deal with personal issues.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
It's one set of rules for everyone. You seem to be saying Braverman should be denied the opportunity of taking a course as she's in the public eye and has a ministerial car for official duties.
I seem to be saying nothing of the sort.
Not getting into a spat on this, but you said "You are allowed to arrange a private session - but still, when you're a rich fuck in the public eye that gets driven around most of the time anyway, just pay the fine and take the fucking points."
That's hardly arguing she shouldn't be treated differently from anyone else.
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
It's hardly outrageous a Cabinet Minister should ask her people to organise something like a 1-1 course for her. Particularly as being Home Secretary raises significant security issues.
You seem to be saying there's no problem with government aides being asked to do deal with personal issues.
It was no more a personal issue than say, asking her protection team for security advice on attending a family wedding in an inner-city.
She asked her Civil Servants if it was possible to arrange a private session due to her understandable security concerns. Perfectly acceptable - as was the Civil servants taking advice and saying they couldn't get involved. Her non-civil service aides then provided the answer -which was no. Based on that advice she took the points.
The real investigation should be into the leaking of this by Civil Servants/aides to identify if it was attempt to undermine and get a Minister sacked.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
Not getting into a spat on this, but you said "You are allowed to arrange a private session - but still, when you're a rich fuck in the public eye that gets driven around most of the time anyway, just pay the fine and take the fucking points."
That's hardly arguing she shouldn't be treated differently from anyone else.
I already covered this with my food bank comment.
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