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    What’s out there at Second Five?

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    • broughie
      broughie last edited by Duluth

      Who is our next Nonu? What we have now in JG or ALB are caretakers. I think we need some more size to take the pressure off RM or BB. I am sold on Laumape. Good super rugby player but that’s it.

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      • nzzp
        nzzp @broughie last edited by

        @broughie Laumape hasn't had a chance to really show what he can do I don't think. Playing outside TJP spraying it around didn't help his cause. Then again, some good coaching would help him too.

        We're playing the Crusaders 12 at the moment. TJ Faiane from Auckland is good, but probably too small for international games. ALB is there but playing 13. Not sure if anyone from the Highlanders is a candidate.

        Jordie? Size, speed, physicality 😃 (I'm only half kidding - he has all the physical attributes, but I don't think we'll see him there)

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        • canefan
          canefan last edited by

          I think Laumape needs a go in the top team to really show what he's worth. A game with a bunch of second stringers won't tell the coaches anything

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          • broughie
            broughie @nzzp last edited by

            @nzzp Laumape. There is that argument that he is not getting a chance. He doesn’t play bad for Wellington with TJP inside him. I agree about Fiane. Too small and not talented enough. Where is someone built like Caleb Clark? Jordie could be an option although going do that route sounds like we are buying into the Foster approach to selection. Play everyone out of position. He is big and not afraid to tackle but perhaps he should be playing fullback instead of his brother.

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              ARHS last edited by

              I would like to see Jordie tried at 12. But Goodhue and ALB are best combo we have. Wonder if Trask will make the big leap next year and ignite the midfield?

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              • taniwharugby
                taniwharugby last edited by

                not sold on Laumape, doesnt seem to have the defensive nous required.

                Laumape is listed as 97kg
                ALB 96kg
                JG 100kg
                Faiane 92kg
                Jordie 95kg

                Next years super season will be intriguing as to who plays where, as I think Fozzie has identifed 12 as a problem area and is shoehorning JG there, and while he has done a decent the job, we are just lacking spark, although TBF, most areas of our play is lacking spark at present.

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                • ACT Crusader
                  ACT Crusader last edited by

                  If we want Sotutu to start at no.8, put Ardie at 2nd 5. Problem solved.

                  One to keep an eye out for in the next little while as I think he will end up in the midfield, Leicester Fainga'anuku.

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                  • broughie
                    broughie @taniwharugby last edited by

                    @taniwharugby and Nonu and probably SBW had close to 10 kgs on these guy which is a difference.

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                    • canefan
                      canefan @broughie last edited by canefan

                      @broughie Nonu was almost a one of a kind. As big as a flanker (bigger than Masoe when I bumped into them on Courtney Place), fast enough to play wing, developed a great passing game and a grubber kicking game too

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                      • Tim
                        Tim last edited by

                        I'd like to see PUJ and Tanielu Tele'a get some time at 12 in Super Rugby.

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                        • canefan
                          canefan @Tim last edited by

                          @Tim said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                          I'd like to see PUJ and Tanielu Tele'a get some time at 12 in Super Rugby.

                          I thought PUJ did the basics well in his short debut, supported well. The position is wide open right now

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                          • canefan
                            canefan last edited by

                            We lack a cutting edge in MF right now. I like ALB, not sold on JG as the answer, he's a better 13 being shoehorned into 12

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                            • taniwharugby
                              taniwharugby @ACT Crusader last edited by taniwharugby

                              @ACT-Crusader he's only listed as 99kg too...

                              Rieko is listed at 103kg.

                              Who are the other mid-fielders about in NZ?

                              Tamati Tua - 1.96m 100kg
                              Quin Tupaea - 1.86m 97kg
                              PUJ - 1.87m 102kg
                              Vince Aso - 1.81m 90kg
                              Tanielu Tele'a - 1.88m 105kg

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                                nostrildamus @broughie last edited by

                                @broughie said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                @nzzp Laumape. There is that argument that he is not getting a chance. He doesn’t play bad for Wellington with TJP inside him. I agree about Fiane. Too small and not talented enough. Where is someone built like Caleb Clark? Jordie could be an option although going do that route sounds like we are buying into the Foster approach to selection. Play everyone out of position. He is big and not afraid to tackle but perhaps he should be playing fullback instead of his brother.

                                So you'd like someone 10kg heavier (and taller) than Laumape, and is like Caleb Clarke, to start in the midfield? I know someone who fits that description!!

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                                • ACT Crusader
                                  ACT Crusader @taniwharugby last edited by

                                  @taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                  @ACT-Crusader he's only listed as 99kg too...

                                  Ardie plays bigger than his weight (don’t trust the internet) suggests.

                                  If we want size, then Fainga'anuku might be the guy, 6’2 and 110kg

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                                  • Tim
                                    Tim @taniwharugby last edited by

                                    @taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                    Vince Aso - 1.81m 90kg

                                    Looks bigger than that.

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                                      nostrildamus @Tim last edited by

                                      @Tim said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                      Vince Aso

                                      Canes site has him as 1.85m 90kg

                                      Vince Aso - Hurricanes
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                                      • Chris
                                        Chris @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                        @taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                        @ACT-Crusader he's only listed as 99kg too...

                                        Ardie plays bigger than his weight (don’t trust the internet) suggests.

                                        If we want size, then Fainga'anuku might be the guy, 6’2 and 110kg

                                        Fainga’nuku will end up at centre the crusaders may use him to cover centre at times while Ennor is injured so I hear around the traps.That way they can take some work load away from Havalli and Goodhue having to front up every week in the MF

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                                        • Bovidae
                                          Bovidae @taniwharugby last edited by

                                          @taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                          Rieko is listed at 103kg.

                                          I wonder if he is the man. OK, we wouldn't be making the most of his speed on the outside channels but Rieko could certainly bend the defensive line. And if he developed a SBW-like offload.

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                                          • nzzp
                                            nzzp @Bovidae last edited by

                                            @Bovidae said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                            @taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                            Rieko is listed at 103kg.

                                            I wonder if he is the man. OK, we wouldn't be making the most of his speed on the outside channels but Rieko could certainly bend the defensive line. And if he developed a SBW-like offload.

                                            Did you see him at 12 when Tana played him there? Such a waste.

                                            Developing as a 13, but not a candidate at 12 for me.

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                                            • Bovidae
                                              Bovidae @nzzp last edited by

                                              @nzzp I was just throwing his name out there amongst a lot of others.

                                              Alex Nankivell is a 2nd 5 not mentioned. 1.88 m and 98 kg for comparison.

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                                              • MN5
                                                MN5 last edited by

                                                What’s George Moala up to ?

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                                                  African Monkey @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                  @ACT-Crusader I was thinking about him as a 12 today funnily enough. Sounds silly right now but with the options the Crusaders have out wide, he may eventually get pushed in.

                                                  I guess we could give Rieko a go at 12 after the success he had there with the Blues a couple of seasons ago.

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                                                    African Monkey @Bovidae last edited by

                                                    @Bovidae said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                    @taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                    Rieko is listed at 103kg.

                                                    I wonder if he is the man. OK, we wouldn't be making the most of his speed on the outside channels but Rieko could certainly bend the defensive line. And if he developed a SBW-like offload.

                                                    Haha didn't see this while posting. Rieko was a car crash is slow motion at 12 for the Blues. One of the worst selections I've ever seen from a Blues coach and he kept him there all season.

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                                                    • Crucial
                                                      Crucial last edited by

                                                      Ardie 12, Rieko 13 could be a goer.

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                                                      • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                        Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                        Jordie for christ sake.

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                                                        • gt12
                                                          gt12 last edited by

                                                          Faiane shouldn't be as far away as he currently is, given that he is a specialist 2nd V. If they don't want to trust Laumape there, then Faiane would be a player to put in the environment and see whether he can go to the next level.

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                                                          • Stargazer
                                                            Stargazer @MN5 last edited by

                                                            @MN5 Still playing for Clermont.

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                                                            • MN5
                                                              MN5 @Stargazer last edited by

                                                              @Stargazer said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                              @MN5 Still playing for Clermont.

                                                              Bugger, he had some brute force that coulda been handy

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                                                              • Frank
                                                                Frank last edited by

                                                                Peter Umaga Jensen should be the 2nd five.

                                                                102 kg.

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                                                                • Crazy Horse
                                                                  Crazy Horse @Frank last edited by

                                                                  @Frank said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                                  Peter Umaga Jensen should be the 2nd five.

                                                                  102 kg.

                                                                  Based on a few handy games at 13 this year?

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                                                                  • Frank
                                                                    Frank @Crazy Horse last edited by

                                                                    @Crazy-Horse
                                                                    He's got it mate - trust me (says anonymous guy on the Fern)

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                                                                    • KiwiMurph
                                                                      KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                      PUJ looked a lot more comfortable at 13 than 12 this year.

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                                                                      • ACT Crusader
                                                                        ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                        Goodhue’s first season at 2nd 5, I think he will grow into the role longer term because the defensive game is solid. Us fans might have to be a little patient as he develops the attacking game from closer in.

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                                                                          African Monkey @Frank last edited by

                                                                          @Frank Has @Canes4life hacked your account?

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                                                                          • sparky
                                                                            sparky @MN5 last edited by sparky

                                                                            @MN5 said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                                            What’s George Moala up to ?

                                                                            Going well for Clermont.

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                                                                              nostrildamus last edited by

                                                                              good highlights reel-apart from the music!

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                                                                                pakman @MN5 last edited by

                                                                                @MN5 said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                                                What’s George Moala up to ?

                                                                                Often rated best 12 in NH club rugby.

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                                                                                  pakman @sparky last edited by

                                                                                  @sparky said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                                                  @MN5 said in What’s out there at Second Five?:

                                                                                  What’s George Moala up to ?

                                                                                  Going well for Clermont.

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                                                                                  Pretty impressive.

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                                                                                  • mofitzy_
                                                                                    mofitzy_ last edited by

                                                                                    Chances of him returning to NZ rugby are slim to none surely.

                                                                                    I know this sounds crass but silver lining of the global situation is most Euro clubs will tighten their purse strings for a few years.

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