The difference in decades.........
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Touching on something @Rancid-Schnitzel said in a post about the Wonder Years ( crappy coming of age show that starred this hottie but I digress.......)
I remember looking back in the late 80s and watching Woodstock on video ( and hearing my old mans anecdotes about it ) Woodstock was in 1969 and may as well have been a century prior to that with the hair, fashion, music etc......Hendrix, the Who, Janis Joplin etc were all “old” Rock Stars.
So if they did a coming of age Wonder Years type show set in the year 2001 could we genuinely tell the difference between then and now ? ( apart from, as @Rancid-Schnitzel said no smart phones ). I bore my kids with 90’s/2000’s music but again, it doesn’t seem that “dated”. Rage, STP, Faith No More, Gunners, Metallica, Soundgarden......
I watched Snatch for about the millionth time the other night, In no way at all did I cringe, just an entertaining banger of a movie as it always is. But then I remember in the 90’s I’d watch stuff like Commando, Scarface, Untouchables, Alien, Terminator, Lost Boys, Karate Kid etc and think it was soooooooooooooooo 80’s ( but entertaining nonetheless )
Have the last 20 or so years frozen in time ?
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@mn5 said in The difference in decades.........:
Touching on something @Rancid-Schnitzel said in a post about the Wonder Years ( crappy coming of age show that starred this hotty
I remember looking back in the late 80s and watching Woodstock on video ( and hearing my old mans anecdotes about it ) Woodstock was in 1969 and may as well have been a century prior to that with the hair, fashion, music etc......Hendrix, the Who, Janis Joplin etc were all “old” Rock Stars.
So if they did a coming of age Wonder Years type show set in the year 2001 could we genuinely tell the difference between then and now ? ( apart from, as @Rancid-Schnitzel said no smart phones ). I bore my kids with 90’s/2000’s music but again, it doesn’t seem that “dated”. Rage, STP, Faith No More, Gunners, Metallica, Soundgarden......
I watched Snatch for about the millionth time the other night, In no way at all did I cringe, just an entertaining banger of a movie as it always is. But then I remember in the 90’s I’d watch stuff like Commando, Scarface, Untouchables, Alien, Terminator, Lost Boys, Karate Kid etc and think it was soooooooooooooooo 80’s ( but entertaining nonetheless )
Have the last 20 or so years frozen in time ?
20 or so years.... bang on.... 40s, 50, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s... all had certain stereotypes/idiosyncrasies in music, movies, TV.
But yeah, I'm now regularly surprised when I realise a movie is from 2003, not 2013. Or 2000 vs 2010 vs 2020.Is it just because of our ages, and being jaded pricks when all these things came out?
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@mn5 said in The difference in decades.........:
Touching on something @Rancid-Schnitzel said in a post about the Wonder Years ( crappy coming of age show that starred this hottie but I digress.......)
I remember looking back in the late 80s and watching Woodstock on video ( and hearing my old mans anecdotes about it ) Woodstock was in 1969 and may as well have been a century prior to that with the hair, fashion, music etc......Hendrix, the Who, Janis Joplin etc were all “old” Rock Stars.
So if they did a coming of age Wonder Years type show set in the year 2001 could we genuinely tell the difference between then and now ? ( apart from, as @Rancid-Schnitzel said no smart phones ). I bore my kids with 90’s/2000’s music but again, it doesn’t seem that “dated”. Rage, STP, Faith No More, Gunners, Metallica, Soundgarden......
I watched Snatch for about the millionth time the other night, In no way at all did I cringe, just an entertaining banger of a movie as it always is. But then I remember in the 90’s I’d watch stuff like Commando, Scarface, Untouchables, Alien, Terminator, Lost Boys, Karate Kid etc and think it was soooooooooooooooo 80’s ( but entertaining nonetheless )
Have the last 20 or so years frozen in time ?
It’s weird. There have been enormous changes in tech and of course the new scourge of social media but outwardly nothing like the differences between say 1968 and 1988.
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@rancid-schnitzel has the rise of corporates and the influence they wield over trends of so many aspects of popular culture (movies, music, fashion for example) homogenised these things now?
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@canefan said in The difference in decades.........:
@rancid-schnitzel has the rise of corporates and the influence they wield over trends of so many aspects of popular culture (movies, music, fashion for example) homogenised these things now?
That's a good point actually. So many things look the same the world over and there is less individuality. Cars are a prime example, they all look the bloody same except for the real exotics.
Also I think that "our" period (whenever that was) will never really age, it is a part of us. The music, the TV, the films. They will never be old but something from just a few years previous was always old. Of course much of the stuff dates but even then it does not become old.
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I think once “smart” phones became so accessible the trajectory of change was (and continues to be) quite rapid. I’d say even more so than when the PC emerged.
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@kruse said in The difference in decades.........:
@mn5 said in The difference in decades.........:
Touching on something @Rancid-Schnitzel said in a post about the Wonder Years ( crappy coming of age show that starred this hotty
I remember looking back in the late 80s and watching Woodstock on video ( and hearing my old mans anecdotes about it ) Woodstock was in 1969 and may as well have been a century prior to that with the hair, fashion, music etc......Hendrix, the Who, Janis Joplin etc were all “old” Rock Stars.
So if they did a coming of age Wonder Years type show set in the year 2001 could we genuinely tell the difference between then and now ? ( apart from, as @Rancid-Schnitzel said no smart phones ). I bore my kids with 90’s/2000’s music but again, it doesn’t seem that “dated”. Rage, STP, Faith No More, Gunners, Metallica, Soundgarden......
I watched Snatch for about the millionth time the other night, In no way at all did I cringe, just an entertaining banger of a movie as it always is. But then I remember in the 90’s I’d watch stuff like Commando, Scarface, Untouchables, Alien, Terminator, Lost Boys, Karate Kid etc and think it was soooooooooooooooo 80’s ( but entertaining nonetheless )
Have the last 20 or so years frozen in time ?
20 or so years.... bang on.... 40s, 50, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s... all had certain stereotypes/idiosyncrasies in music, movies, TV.
But yeah, I'm now regularly surprised when I realise a movie is from 2003, not 2013. Or 2000 vs 2010 vs 2020.Is it just because of our ages, and being jaded pricks when all these things came out?
Good point but that’s not it I don’t think
Do you watch a classic like Heat and say it looks dated ( aside from the obvious fact De Niro and Pacino look younger ) ? No. But pick any 80s movie and it genuinely looks and feels exactly that. Firmly stuck in its 80s glory with its hairspray and bright clothes.
Actually as if to contradict my point earlier one thing that does define this era is the amount of Tatts people have compared to 20 years ago. I don’t think it would be a stretch to say over half of any given Super Rugby squad has a few of them.
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@sparky said in The difference in decades.........:
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- Arctic Sea Ice Decline
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Not really my point, I was indicating that in terms of looks and feel it’s like we’ve stood still for 20 years.
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Great topic!
This is will probably depend a bit on where you live but the UK is getting more and more PC than ever, things that you could say and do in the 80s and 90s died in the 00s but now even the 00s seems shocking.
Recently I read my daughter a book that was read to me as a child "The wishing chair" by Enid Blyton circa 40s maybe wild guess? (the book not my childhood) well I loved all Enid Blyton books as a kid so just thought she'll love this and she did... and anyway there is a character in it called Chinky the pictures depict a tiny Chinese looking man but he's known as a pixie... That just wouldn't get written now and I did halt for a minute and think is this OK to read but she didn't make that association, to her it was a little elf looking man.
Another example (obviously not one of the biggies) the Britney docu highlighted it for me, the way young female celebs were treated - I didn't see it as a problem when I was in my teens, now I look and think waaaaaaaaaah!?
Another thing... "Single parents" and "young mothers" that's just such a thing of the past now but even in the 80s there was still a stigma attached to being an unmarried mother and adoptions were still a very real option, abortion certainly wasn't seen as for just anyone. Similarly,in the 90s I remember my mum and her friends speaking in hushed tones about divorced people or young mums.
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Hang on @MN5 are you just talking about superficial type stuff then? We can dig deep with this topic maaan!
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@r-l said in The difference in decades.........:
Hang on @MN5 are you just talking about superficial type stuff then? We can dig deep with this topic maaan!
Pretty much. As has been mentioned the difference between a movie made in the 50s vs the 70s vs the 90s is huge and easily noticeable. But as @Kruse said you see one from about 2000 onwards and it’s far harder to tell.
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@mn5 said in The difference in decades.........:
@r-l said in The difference in decades.........:
Hang on @MN5 are you just talking about superficial type stuff then? We can dig deep with this topic maaan!
Pretty much. As has been mentioned the difference between a movie made in the 50s vs the 70s vs the 90s is huge and easily noticeable. But as @Kruse said you see one from about 2000 onwards and it’s far harder to tell.
The 60s, 70s and 80s all have quite distinct clothing and music
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@mn5 If you'd rather something superficial, then beige interiors were all the rage in the 1990s and early 2000s and have largely disappeared now. I doubt many blokes have as many checked shirts or turtle-necked sweaters as they had in their wardrobes back then.
Rugby jerseys are totally different too.
Most music since 1997, even when played "live" makes enormous use of autotunes.
Movies use way more CGI and green screen than those of the late 1990s.
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@sparky said in The difference in decades.........:
@mn5 If you'd rather something superficial, then beige interiors were all the rage in the 1990s and early 2000s and have largely disappeared now. I doubt many blokes have as many checked shirts or turtle-necked sweaters as they had in their wardrobes back then.
Rugby jerseys are totally different too.
Most music since 1997, even when played "live" makes enormous use of autotunes.
Movies use way more CGI and green screen than those of the late 1990s.
Ha I have one that an ex bought me when I moved back from the UK so by my calculations it’s 20 years old and still looks ok and is wearable.....fucken well made to last that long to be fair.
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I have thought about this sort of thing over the years too. I reckon it's because of our age. What are kids today saying about the look and sound of things from 20 years ago? At our age 20 years ago seems like yesterday, so maybe it's natural to us that things seem to not have changed much.
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Do you reckon this is why some people don't move with fashion etc, liek wear the same style clothes after a certain age and never change...
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@r-l I reckon it is. I am guilty of it in a way. I have shirts over ten years old (probably older if I really think about it) and I am convinced they look as good and as modern as the day I bought them!
Edit: Just realised I am currently wearing a singlet I bought in 2001! And I wear it in public.
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@crazy-horse I had ripped jeans in my teens and now I have a pair in my 30s but I can't see me wearing them after 40 even if they are still fashionable... Men get away with it better
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@crazy-horse said in The difference in decades.........:
Edit: Just realised I am currently wearing a singlet I bought in 2001! And I wear it in public.
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Men never seem to change their cologne/aftershave (whatever you call it) either...
Most men I know wear the same brand and never change, my husband will only wear Boss bottled, fella before only ever wore Fahrenheit (makes me heave when I smell it now)
I have 5 perfumes currently and my fave "for best" changes every few years as I get bored -
I think there's been a lot of cultural change but in different ways to previous decades
The cultural change in music is the fragmentation. There is no omni culture that represents a decade.
It's impossible to imagine a situation like the late 80's where Michale Jackson, Prince, Madonna etc dominated the music sales and you couldn't get away from them. Check out the sales figures of the top selling artists now.It's easier now to find new music and it's easier for an artist to find an audience. Clearly it's a lot harder to make massive amounts in music now, however it's way easier to make an decent living as a niche artist
Movies are in a bit of a rut like the large music acts were in the 80's. Bloated corporate movie franchises. Easy to avoid though.
Culturally there's been a massive shift in TV. Networks style stuff is dead. There are no sitcoms that everyone sees.
However cable and then streaming has resulted in an improvement in quality. I would argue big series like 'Game of Thrones' etc had the cultural impact that big movies used to.Online culture is where most of the innovation is. Again this is about fragmentation and the lack of a single culture that represents a decade or a generation. The trends in various communities evolve extremely quickly.
The there's the prevalence of podcasts where people can explore topics in detail or follow the opinions of people they like/trust/find funny. A huge impact but there is no visual clue (It was easy to spot a Pearl Jam fan in 1992 there is no uniform for various online interests)Comedy is another area that is obviously different. Corporate comedy has to be safe so of course it's terrible. However below that the podcast scene is thriving. It just takes slightly more work to find good content.
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@r-l how did you find that image of me?
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@r-l said in The difference in decades.........:
Men never seem to change their cologne/aftershave (whatever you call it) either...
Most men I know wear the same brand and never change, my husband will only wear Boss bottled, fella before only ever wore Fahrenheit (makes me heave when I smell it now)
I have 5 perfumes currently and my fave "for best" changes every few years as I get boredHere's a deep question someone posed to me today. In last thirty years how has way young men treat young women changed? Interested to hear women's take.
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@r-l said in The difference in decades.........:
Men never seem to change their cologne/aftershave (whatever you call it) either...
Most men I know wear the same brand and never change, my husband will only wear Boss bottled, fella before only ever wore Fahrenheit (makes me heave when I smell it now)
I have 5 perfumes currently and my fave "for best" changes every few years as I get boredI’ve had loads....being a true Scotsman I’ve never paid for them but names I remember are Hugo Boss ( numerous types ), Issy Miyake.....and that’s about it
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@pakman I'm 35 so I can only really comment on the last 20 years I guess, and I really dont know whether men are worse now, my take on people in general is that there are good and bad in everyone.
I would say a lot of girls probably don't appreciate a "gentleman" anymore, which I think is really sad.
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@mn5 said in The difference in decades.........:
Issy Miyake
Yeah one of their male scents is really nice yet I can't stand any of the female perfumes.
Ah nothing better than a man smelling good!
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@pakman said in The difference in decades.........:
@r-l said in The difference in decades.........:
Men never seem to change their cologne/aftershave (whatever you call it) either...
Most men I know wear the same brand and never change, my husband will only wear Boss bottled, fella before only ever wore Fahrenheit (makes me heave when I smell it now)
I have 5 perfumes currently and my fave "for best" changes every few years as I get boredHere's a deep question someone posed to me today. In last thirty years how has way young men treat young women changed? Interested to hear women's take.
I suggest it must have changed considerably and my entire "research" is from noticing the porn available to kids pre and post puberty. What those kids see as "normal" sexual behaviour is far removed from sex being a relationship consolidator. The easy access to so much pornography and the roles played out must be bloody confusing to a blank slate adolescent. Reports that kids think strangling and spanking is normal for intercourse have circulated in some researchers I've heard on podcasts.
But, the fern is a bit old to truly know what's going on with the young uns, and hopefully kids are still savvy enough to not tell the parents what evil lurks in the minds of horny teenagers 😉. And yes, relationships between post adolescent males and females will always predominantly be centred around sex. Even in cases where the boy confesses mixed gender friendship, he's still wanking nightly about his "friend"😉
An 8000% increase in teenage girls asking to transition to males in the last decade is an unsettling phenomena though. Dramatic increase in reports of teen males experiencing erectile dysfunction. Something's not right or comparable to previous decades.
Good question pakman and an area that needs clarification if only for the sake of the kids bombarded with so much porn and never once having to traipse into the forest to glimpse at hairy fanny stick mags hidden under a hedge, as the primary tutelage in what girls are or want🙂
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@r-l said in The difference in decades.........:
@pakman I'm 35 so I can only really comment on the last 20 years I guess, and I really dont know whether men are worse now, my take on people in general is that there are good and bad in everyone.
I would say a lot of girls probably don't appreciate a "gentleman" anymore, which I think is really sad.
Good grief, I have a son who’s 30!
When I was about 10, my mum said that a gentleman always walks on the street side of a lady, and opens the car door for her. Another one is standing when a lady enters the room.
Seems rather quaint to the younger generation?!
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@pakman Wasn't it Prince Stavros that said if a man opens the door of a car for his wife, it's either a new wife or a new car?
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@catogrande said in The difference in decades.........:
@pakman Wasn't it Prince Stavros that said if a man opens the door of a car for his wife, it's either a new wife or a new car?
Not any more.
