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NTA

Yep. Massive cultural disconnect there. Should have been handing those out before they landed in Greece.

NTA

All that said, this is NEVER cool:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/masked-gangs-attack-child-migrants-in-sweden/news-story/9aa82bffc92b15fa7ac27029c9475221'>http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/masked-gangs-attack-child-migrants-in-sweden/news-story/9aa82bffc92b15fa7ac27029c9475221</a>
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">A GROUP of masked men believed to belong to a Neo-Nazi gang stormed Swedenâ€™s main train station and bashed foreigners, including children, to â€œpunishâ€ migrants over the weekend.
Wearing all-black balaclavas and armbands, the men â€œgathered (in Stockholm) with the purpose of attacking refugee children,â€ Stockholm police spokesperson Towe Hagg said.
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hundreds-of-masked-men-beat-refugee-children-in-stockholm-a6843451.html'>The Independent</a> reported that â€œhundreds of masked men marched through Stockholmâ€™s main train station on Friday evening, reportedly beating up refugees and anyone who didnâ€™t appear to be ethnically Swedishâ€.
â€œI saw maybe three people who were beaten. That was no football brawl or something similar. They targeted migrants. I was quite scared and ran away,â€ a witness told the Aftonbladet newspaper.
The paper quoted another witness as saying:
â€œI was passing by and saw a masked group dressed in black ... start hitting foreigners. I saw three people molestedâ€œ.
The Swedish Resistance Movement, a Neo-Nazi group, carried out a number of assaults on migrants in Stockholm on Friday amid rising tension over the countryâ€™s refugee influx, Swedish police said Saturday.
The Swedish Resistance Movement claimed responsibility for the attacks in a<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.nordfront.se/huliganer-spoar-kriminella-invandrare-i-centrala-stockholm.smr'>statement</a> online:
â€œToday were therefore 200 Swedish men to mark the North African â€œstreet childrenâ€ raging around the capitalâ€™s main railway station,â€ it read.
â€œPolice have clearly shown that they lack the means to repress their progress and we now see no other alternative than to hand out punishments they deserve.â€
Police had beefed up their presence in the city centre, deploying anti-riot and helicopter units after learning that extremists were planning â€œaggression on unaccompanied migrant minorsâ€ in the city late on Friday.
Police spokesman Towe Hagg said by midday police had not received any complaints of assault but one 46-year-old man was arrested after striking a plainclothes officer.
Swedish Interior Minister Anders Ygeman condemned the â€œracist groups which threaten and spread hate in the public spaceâ€, adding that â€œone must respond stronglyâ€.
â€œThis is a disturbing trend in society,â€ Ygeman said in a commentary published by news agency TT.
Three further people were briefly detained for public order disturbances and one more faces charges for carrying a knife.
As many as 100 people, their faces covered, had descended early Friday evening on the Sergels Torg pedestrian square, a popular meeting point for young people, including migrant youths.
Aftonbladet quoted witnesses as saying the masked group targeted â€œpeople of foreign appearanceâ€ and handed out leaflets urging the infliction of â€œdeserved punishment on children of the North African street.â€ The website Nordfront, an online forum for the Neo-Nazi SMR movement, said its â€œsourcesâ€ had revealed that around â€œ100 hooligansâ€ from the AIK and Djurgarden football clubs had gathered Friday in order to â€œsort out the criminals coming in from North Africa.â€ After initially taking a generous stance on migration â€” the country of 9.8 million is among the European Union states with the highest proportion of refugees per capita â€” Sweden has in recent days said it expects to expel tens of thousands of people over several years as it struggles to cope with the influx.
Booed by dozens of â€œanti-fascistâ€ activists, some 200 people gathered in Stockholm on Saturday to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Stefan Lofven as well as the acceleration of migrant deportations, an AFP journalist said.
The number of new migrants entering the country has plunged since Stockholm on January 4 introduced systematic photo ID checks on train, bus and ferry passengers coming in via Denmark.
The toughening of policy comes against a backdrop of rising concern over conditions in the countryâ€™s overcrowded asylum facilities.
Officials also called for greater security after an employee at a refugee centre for unaccompanied youths was fatally stabbed earlier this week.
After initially taking a generous stance on migration â€” the country of 9.8 million is among the European Union states with the highest proportion of refugees per capita â€” Sweden has in recent days said it expects to expel tens of thousands of people over several years as it struggles to cope with the influx.
The number of new migrants entering the country has plunged since Stockholm introduced systematic photo ID checks on travellers on January 4.
The toughening of policy comes against a backdrop of rising concern over conditions in the countryâ€™s overcrowded asylum facilities, and officials called for greater security after an employee at a refugee centre for unaccompanied youths was fatally stabbed earlier this week.
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jegga

Not cool but inevitable , this has been building in Sweden for a while. Here's a fantastic rant from a refugee about other refugees in Sweden 
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NTA

Yep. And no doubt those levels of immigration are unsustainable. 
You have to wonder what the political play is for Sweden's parties - in Australia there are only two sides to the story. But eight parties? I'd suggest the stretch for grabbing votes and making agreements with other parties to get power, has led to that situation. 
I've got a mate in Sweden who works with immigrants. Will see what he thinks.

Rancid Schnitzel

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="555554" data-time="1454236234">
Yep. And no doubt those levels of immigration are unsustainable. 
You have to wonder what the political play is for Sweden's parties - in Australia there are only two sides to the story. But eight parties? I'd suggest the stretch for grabbing votes and making agreements with other parties to get power, has led to that situation. 
I've got a mate in Sweden who works with immigrants. Will see what he thinks.</blockquote>
 
Nah, even the right of centre parties in Sweden are to the left of labour parties in many countries. The previous PM (part of the so-called conservative bloc) was banging on about how much space there was in Sweden for more migrants. 
It's an interesting place. They avoided WW2 and grew rich and appear to have been apologizing for it ever since.

NTA

Mate's response to that video: 

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How does one analyse this... If I were to start with the politics. It is true that calling a spade a spade has been nigh on impossible in Swedish politics. No-one outside of the Sweden Democrats want to fuel their fire. 
The result: The Sweden Democrats are now the third largest party. For the same reason nobody wanted to acknowledge that there was a limit to the number of asylum seekers we could accept per year until all of a sudden we had almost 160,000 last year and it became a fact. Again the Sweden Democrats grow because the other politicsl parties have had to finally do something (albeit less radical) that the Sweden Democrats have said all along. 
Sweden's resource problem is a pile of shit. We DO have a massive housing shortage due to incredibly complex building regulations but Sweden's work force is decreasing by 65,000 persons per year due to pensions and lower birth rates so we actually need to import labour. 
This massive wave of immigrants also cost the Swedish tax payer billions. But where did the money go? To wages for the thousands of people who have gotten jobs taking care of immigrants and asylum seekers. Whereas the rest if Europe is stagnating Sweden's GDP is growing with leaps and bounds. 
Are there loads of arses among the asylum seekers? Yep. Are there doctors, engineers and future nobel prize winners? Yep. Basically people in other words. 
Do I think that shaking hands and respecting equality among the sexes is more important than religious and cultural beliefs? Hell yeah. I'm looking forward to the case where the immigrant's plea of religious and ethnic discrimination is put up against gender discrimination. 
Oh... And the rape thing? Bullshit. Sexual harrasment by foreign male youth against young girls appears to be all too true though. 
Also interesting is that although Sweden is growing and growing the number of murders remain steady around 90 since the 90s.
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 This mate of mine was born in Sweden to Swedish parents, then they split and his Dad moved out here (Uni lecturer), so he did years between Australia and Sweden. Met him at Uni. 
He works in social services and with a lot of migrants directly, including resettling. Sees a lot of bullshit go down. His opinion is far more valid than mine, being on the ground and all. And of course, it isn't the whole story, but he makes some good points.

Rancid Schnitzel

I see he mentions the Swedish Democrats. When they did so well at the last election the newspaper Aftonbladet printed a completely black front page. They were obviously completely oblivious to the fact that their arrogance and stupidity regarding open door immigration had been a major contribution to the rise of SD. 
What was this rape bullshit he was referring to?

NTA

Dunno - I thought he was referencing the video (I can't be bothered watching it again) but maybe it was to do with something else related to the issue.
 
Or it was on one of the newspaper pages that came up in the vid. I don't read Swede so couldn't tell you.

Rancid Schnitzel

Just watched video. The mangina capital of Europe is a pretty apt description. 
He must have been referring to the rape capital of Europe remark. I've no doubt that there is some serious hyperbole about rapes in Sweden. However, there are some pretty shocking stats there. 
One thing the Angry Foreigner noted was that those screaming the most about racism and advocating open door immigration tend to live in lily-white areas with barely a foreigner in sight. Id imagine there are more than a few countries where the fervent multiculturalist "elite" don't actually live anywhere near the kind of thriving melting pots they're so passionate about. Funny that.

NTA

NIMBY is universal.

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="555572" data-time="1454242564">
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What was this rape bullshit he was referring to?
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Clarification - apparently in the video the Balkan chap mentions "Rape capital of the world" according to my mate. His response to that in statistical terms:
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Found some rape statistics for Sweden (rape capital of the world according to the Balcan lad).
 
5830 reported rapes 2015. 12% less than 2014 interestingly enough. That's 59,5 per 100,000. High compared to Australia which had 91 in 2003 but "only" 28 by 2010. Still only halfway to South Africa. But the whole Assange case gives me the feeling that Sweden's definition of rape is far wider than in many/most other countries.</blockquote>
 
I always have a bit of hesitation with some crime statistics, because things like rape and domestic violence are only based on "reported" unlike hard crimes e.g. robbing a store, chances are police will be called. DV and rape, sometimes the thing goes unreported, or, as my mate says above: it depends on the legal definition of "rape".
 
In any case, just thought I'd add that because I missed the rape thing in the video as well.

jegga

In Sweden they have a different wayvof reporting rape apparently , if a women falls victim to a Fritzl type they report each individual case which is why their statistics are so high. 
As for Assange he had sex with a woman while she was asleep and another without a condom despite her insisting on him wearing one. That's also an offence here in NZ this is the stuff that's been reported god knows what else he's done . even his son admits he's got a very odd attitude to women <a class="bbc_url" href="http://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-love-children">http://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-love-children</a> 
The man is a fucking creep I'm always astounded when I see people like Penny Bright trying to downplay play what he did and his behaviour since . I can just imagine the high dudgeon that would pour out of her if Cameron Slater did what Assange did and hid out in an embassy till the statute of limitations ran out.

Rancid Schnitzel

I thought this had to be a joke, but apparently it isn't: 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/talk_to_the_mitten/'>http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/talk_to_the_mitten/</a> 
Bet the Russians wished they'd been threatened with the mitten during the Winter War.

antipodean

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I thought this had to be a joke, but apparently it isn't: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/talk_to_the_mitten/'>http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/talk_to_the_mitten/</a> 
Bet the Russians wished they'd been threatened with the mitten during the Winter War.
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Just no idea what they're dealing with.

NTA

Certainly, this sort of thing isn't going to help:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/10yearold-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-swimming-pool-in-vienna/news-story/69abed188e157e2f425d8c204fa50f17'>http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/10yearold-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-swimming-pool-in-vienna/news-story/69abed188e157e2f425d8c204fa50f17</a>
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">A 10-YEAR-OLD Austrian boy has been brutally raped at a public swimming pool by an Iraqi migrant, who told police the attack was a â€œsexual emergencyâ€.
The attack occurred on December 22, when the boy was dragged into the change rooms by the 20-year-old migrant at the swimming pool in Vienna, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/05/ten-year-old-boy-brutally-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-pool-in-vienna/'>Breitbart reports</a>.
According to local news site <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.krone.at/Oesterreich/Bub_in_Wiener_Bad_vergewaltigt_-_Iraker_gestaendig-Sexueller_Notstand-Story-494653'>Kronen Zeitung</a>, the boy screamed for somebody to help but nobody heard him.
Afterwards, the young boy confided in a lifeguard about what had happened, while the Iraqi man continued to swim at the pool, diving off the three-metre board.
Police arrested the man at the scene and the boy was taken to hospital with severe internal injuries. The attacker told the police the rape was more or less out of frustration, dubbing it a â€œsexual emergencyâ€.
Kronen Zeitung reported the man said he had not had sex for four months and had an excess of sexual energy. He admitted it was a huge mistake and knew it would scar the boy.
Police asked the man if it was against the law to have sex with 10-year-old boys in Iraq. â€œSuch a thing is forbidden in any country of the world,â€ he said.
The man claimed to have sex with women but had not been intimate with his wife since the birth of their daughter, and she still lived in Iraq.
Police said the man entered Austria in September via the Balkans.</blockquote>
 
So throw the book at that bloke.
 
And ask the kid's parents where the fuck they were.

Baron Silas Greenback

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Certainly, this sort of thing isn't going to help:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/10yearold-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-swimming-pool-in-vienna/news-story/69abed188e157e2f425d8c204fa50f17'>http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/10yearold-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-swimming-pool-in-vienna/news-story/69abed188e157e2f425d8c204fa50f17</a>
 
 
 
 
So throw the book at that bloke.
 
And ask the kid's parents where the fuck they were.
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Fuck off. A 10 year old kid should be able to go to the local pool without parental supervision. 10 year old kids roam around our neighborhood all the time at the local park, school pool, just generally knocking about. And if one of them fell victim to a sexual predator I sure as shit would not blame the parents for letting the kid be alone for an hour or 2 in the middle of the day. Do you have the same attitude to a 10 year walking home from school without the parents?

NTA

Public pool is different to walking home. Drowning hazard = parental supervision. 
So, why don't YOU fuck off?

taniwharugby

When I take my kids to the pools, I am not constantly hovering over my 10yr old (have to keep an eye on my 7 yr old) although if I havent seen him for a few minutes I will look for him, and then there is the holiday programme at the pools where it is the teachers/supervisors keeping an eye on them, so there are reasons why he might be there like that.

NTA

I'm similar with the boy - at the local pool, I keep whichever pool he's at in line of sight, but I don't helicopter by any means. Look up, can I see him? Get up and look if I need to. Stray kick to the head, some fuckwit older kids bullying him, whatever. Drowning hazard. 
With girl, the local pool rules state you must keep any kid under 10 within arm's length. I don't agree with that, but I'm ready to go in after her at a moment's notice. 
Radically different situation to walking home from school or going down the park with friends. And even the school/park situation depends on where you live, but usually I don't mind that in our neighbourhood. 
This fucking scum had enough time to drag a 10yo kid into a bathroom, and rape him, while NO-ONE heard him screaming for help. 
So there was zero supervision, clearly. And that isn't a crime, like rape, but it's still not excusable.

Rancid Schnitzel

Nick, you have no idea what the situation was or where the parents may or may not have been. Pretty farked up to blame them for anything without knowing any of the details.
 
As to throwing the book at this degenerate. Well I doubt he can be deported, because he probably claims he comes from ISIS ruled Iraq. If he doesn't he probably claims political asylum or some other bullshit and some cock sucking "human rights" lawyer will appeal the process the entire way. So the Austrian taxpayer will be up for his jail time and are then probably stuck with the farker. In other words, the consequence of allowing undocumented, unvetted migrants into your country. What could possibly go wrong?

The Silver Fern

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