Springboks v British & Irish Lions II
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@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
Springbok bench forwards are all over the Lions, particularly at scrum and maul time. Can't help but think Gatland has missed the boat on some selections.
Is Sutherland really the 2nd best LHP in this squad?
Nope, that's Mako Vunipola. Unfortunately the best LH is still injured.
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@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
Springbok bench forwards are all over the Lions, particularly at scrum and maul time. Can't help but think Gatland has missed the boat on some selections.
Is Sutherland really the 2nd best LHP in this squad?
No
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@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@kiwiinmelb @nta I get that perspective, but disagree. It's not flair filled, as the offense and defense are so fast to teh breakdown and supporting; technique is top tier. It is a massive tussle, decided by fine margins and occasional brain farts. I've really enjoyed it, love the intensity and the passion. But it's not one to draw in new viewers, that's for sure
If you think that was a good game of rugby you’re a one man band. First half was utterly dreadful. Stop start like gridiron with technical penalties and I hate the tmo protocols now so slow (“back to you on the screen. So just to summarise we have seen…). See soccer and VAR - game flows.
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@billy-tell said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@kiwiinmelb @nta I get that perspective, but disagree. It's not flair filled, as the offense and defense are so fast to teh breakdown and supporting; technique is top tier. It is a massive tussle, decided by fine margins and occasional brain farts. I've really enjoyed it, love the intensity and the passion. But it's not one to draw in new viewers, that's for sure
If you think that was a good game of rugby you’re a one man band. First half was utterly dreadful. Stop start like gridiron with technical penalties and I hate the tmo protocols now so slow (“back to you on the screen. So just to summarise we have seen…). See soccer and VAR - game flows.
I loved it, but I think that was out of pure stubbornness. The Lions only comes around once every four years, and I'll be damned if I'll let a dull match cursed with hopelessly unambitious gameplans, shoddy refereeing and riddled with basic errors spoil my enjoyment.
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@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time
Jesus Christ 🤦♂️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!
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Well played the Bokke. Well deserved winners and in truth the scoreboard was kind to us as the second half could have seen more points given the domination SA showed. A few calls went against us but last week we got the rub, so no real complaints there. Our limited game plan and poor execution coupled with the Bok intensity were the reasons we suffered. We lost the aerial game convincingly and given that WAS pretty much the game, it’s kind of QED. It was not just our poor kicking and chasing, not even the inability of our back 3 to catch a cold but where was our defence for the catcher? SA showed how to marshal a kick chase defence with good, legal screening and the catcher not going past that screen. No complaints about O’Keefe’ officiating but plenty about the use of the TMO and the constant pitch invasions and the continued allowing of the Hydrator in chief coaching his team from the centre of the pitch.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time
Jesus Christ 🤦♂️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!
Why not?
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BILs changes for next week - apart from a whole new game plan. Wyn Jones if fit with Vunipola on the bench. George to the bench in place of Owens. If Alan-Wyn has anything left in the tank then he starts again with Itoje. Beirne at 6 with Lawes on the bench. Simmonds at 8. Navidi to the bench in place of Faletau. Otherwise no changes. In the backs, we have issues at 9 & 10 and I think the choice of 10 would dictate who plays at 9. I’d like to see Smith with Price but we won’t. Aki for Henshaw. Adams for Watson, Williams for Hogg. VDM stays by the skin of his teeth.
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@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@majorrage said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
Kolbe had his eyes on the ball the entire time
Jesus Christ 🤦♂️THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK!! THATS THE FUCKEN PROBLEM!!
Why not?
It's ludicrously reckless, not to mention bullshit. You can't disregard everyone else's safety just because you want to pretend you can only see the ball. Would certainly make for an interesting lineout as you don't even bother to compete and just get the guy at the front to run through the legs of the jumpers as he can't see them.
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@bones
People saying "he never took his eyes off the ball", as if that's a defence.That just confirms it wasn't malicious, but nobody's suggesting that it was.
Not looking where you're running in that kind of situation is reckless.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
That just confirms it wasn't malicious
Does it though? The only reason why you would pretend to only be looking at the ball in that situation, is if you think there's a risk of taking someone out.
Maliciously reckless?
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@bones
People saying "he never took his eyes off the ball", as if that's a defence.That just confirms it wasn't malicious, but nobody's suggesting that it was.
Not looking where you're running in that kind of situation is wreckless.
More likely wreckful!
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@nta said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
Does it though?
For me, yes.
The counter argument is that you should be looking at whether anyone else might be in the zone. But then are you looking to line them up?
Absurd example maybe, but in circumstance where ball was going to land on player with back to it, does approaching player have right to leap on top of him in order to catch ball?
I’d say yes.
If said approaching player tips and lands on his shoulder can unsighted player be penalised.
I’d say no.
The problem with all this is if someone wants to catch a high ball kicked to where they are they need to have all eyes on ball, not be looking away to scan who might be jumping into them.
I’d say if a player is standing still and looking to catch it is illogical for it to be a red card.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:
@nta if you glance at the Speedo when you drive, does that mean you're trying to speed?
Hardly comparable. 😉
Intent is the thing you want to try and judge. Not always easy, which is why we have Laws and frameworks, not Rules.
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