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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@act-crusader said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@voodoo said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
A 15-year-old has been charged with four counts of attempted murder, three counts of grievous bodily harm and one count each of unlawful use of a motor vehicle, break and enter, burglary and deprivation of liberty.
What happens to a 15yr old if found guilty of those offences?
Given the number and nature of those charges, the first thing for the prosecutor is to get the matter heard by a higher court than the Children’s Court. Then that court is at liberty to if there is a finding of guilt of attempted murder then the court can impose a life sentence. In sentencing a juvenile, there a factors, but a life sentence is a possibility.
Fat chance.
They are walking it back already, which was always going to happen. A "community spokesman" from Goodna¹ was given a good run all day today on television news, lecturing uppity whitey about unhelpful (unacceptable and inappropriate etc etc) community outrage and victimisation of juveniles from traumatised war torn blah blah blah.
Early on senior plod announced the attack as not targeted, random (therefore unpremeditated and worthy of lower level charges). Courier Mail reporting has reverted to type - along the inevitable lines that the poor disadvantaged kiddies who inexplicably found themselves wielding battleaxes and pikes and such are just 13 or so, and therefore too immature to know right from wrong.
Their names have been suppressed to protect the guilty, 13 year old waifs who wander the streets in stolen cars at 3 am.
The police union has been spitting chips right from the jump and the Liberal Opposition made clear today the hundred or so new tracking anklets and recent enabling regulation had not been used once since inception by magistrates in sentencing. Not once.
As an indication of where this is headed - three females of Goodna-like appearance, who had broken all the rules on the Wuhan virus to visit Sydney then Melbourne to perform their role as high end accessories shop lifters (all true) and who carted the infection back with them and spread it about South Brisbane, appeared for sentencing earlier this year. The magistrate let them off without penalty because they had copped a hiding on anti-social media! Their several solicitors of course submitted the comments on EHarmony, Tinder or whatever were r-eight-cist and horrid.
The Toutai Kefu factor will, in time, be used without hesitation. I have no doubt the controlling powers will manipulate his strong Christian faith to advantage, ideally crafting a display of forgiveness.
All of this is merely observations based on past performance in similar circumstances.
¹ a spokesman from a place 14,000 kilometres and 20 hours by air to the west north west which must not be named because our diversity is our strength, evidently.
Shambles
If Kefu had killed one of these boys in self-defence, what would have been Kefu's fate do you think?
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@mikethesnow said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Shambles
If Kefu had killed one of these boys in self-defence, what would have been Kefu's fate do you think?Toutai is beloved of Queensland rugby and business royalty Mike, powerful forces here whose wishes Labor and Liberal and National politicians pay close attention to. The connections are many and deep - Tim Horan's father was a senior politician for many years, Mark Loane is revered as the footballer he was and the outstanding eye surgeon he became.
When I started living here as well as in my Sydney home I was impressed with how cohesive and effective those forces are compared to down south - smaller, compact, a tight knit group with common purpose. Their Sydney counterparts are more factionalised and internally competitive.
The late Leo Williams comes to mind. He was chairman and board member of just about everything during his grand career in the law - commerce, racing, Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Channel 7, Chairman of the QRU and the ARU. He was quiet, personable and a fine leader who worked on succession in that role by the likes of Michael Lynagh and Brett Robinson (Brumbies inaugural captain). His successors would ensure the right messages were conveyed to the right people and Toutai would be well protected, that is certain.
In any event, from what I have read, Kefu's defensive actions would not attract a charge.
I have gone on, I know, but it was interesting to reflect and state what I have seen.
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Lucky the opening poster remembered to use a comma.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mikethesnow said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Shambles
If Kefu had killed one of these boys in self-defence, what would have been Kefu's fate do you think?Toutai is beloved of Queensland rugby and business royalty Mike, powerful forces here whose wishes Labor and Liberal and National politicians pay close attention to. The connections are many and deep - Tim Horan's father was a senior politician for many years, Mark Loane is revered as the footballer he was and the outstanding eye surgeon he became.
When I started living here as well as in my Sydney home I was impressed with how cohesive and effective those forces are compared to down south - smaller, compact, a tight knit group with common purpose. Their Sydney counterparts are more factionalised and internally competitive.
The late Leo Williams comes to mind. He was chairman and board member of just about everything during his grand career in the law - commerce, racing, Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Channel 7, Chairman of the QRU and the ARU. He was quiet, personable and a fine leader who worked on succession in that role by the likes of Michael Lynagh and Brett Robinson (Brumbies inaugural captain). His successors would ensure the right messages were conveyed to the right people and Toutai would be well protected, that is certain.
In any event, from what I have read, Kefu's defensive actions would not attract a charge.
I have gone on, I know, but it was interesting to reflect and state what I have seen.
Thanks
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@mick-gold-coast-qld Hey Mick. First up stoked to hear they are all on a path to physical recovery. Don’t have any answers for trauma recovery questions… It is the most important thing they’re physically going to be ok.
Your prognosis sounds dire from a restorative justice perspective. Believable too. And it makes the whole thing and all it’s disempowering bile make me want to vomit. More stuff changes the more it stays the same…Victims almost relentlessly remaining defeated by complicated dysfunctional systems purportedly engineered and refined to protect them…..FFS💣 -
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mikethesnow said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Shambles
If Kefu had killed one of these boys in self-defence, what would have been Kefu's fate do you think?Toutai is beloved of Queensland rugby and business royalty Mike, powerful forces here whose wishes Labor and Liberal and National politicians pay close attention to. The connections are many and deep - Tim Horan's father was a senior politician for many years, Mark Loane is revered as the footballer he was and the outstanding eye surgeon he became.
When I started living here as well as in my Sydney home I was impressed with how cohesive and effective those forces are compared to down south - smaller, compact, a tight knit group with common purpose. Their Sydney counterparts are more factionalised and internally competitive.
The late Leo Williams comes to mind. He was chairman and board member of just about everything during his grand career in the law - commerce, racing, Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Channel 7, Chairman of the QRU and the ARU. He was quiet, personable and a fine leader who worked on succession in that role by the likes of Michael Lynagh and Brett Robinson (Brumbies inaugural captain). His successors would ensure the right messages were conveyed to the right people and Toutai would be well protected, that is certain.
In any event, from what I have read, Kefu's defensive actions would not attract a charge.
I have gone on, I know, but it was interesting to reflect and state what I have seen.
So basically Queensland is just as corrupt as it was under Jo?
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@act-crusader said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@voodoo said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
A 15-year-old has been charged with four counts of attempted murder, three counts of grievous bodily harm and one count each of unlawful use of a motor vehicle, break and enter, burglary and deprivation of liberty.
What happens to a 15yr old if found guilty of those offences?
Given the number and nature of those charges, the first thing for the prosecutor is to get the matter heard by a higher court than the Children’s Court. Then that court is at liberty to if there is a finding of guilt of attempted murder then the court can impose a life sentence. In sentencing a juvenile, there a factors, but a life sentence is a possibility.
Fat chance.
They are walking it back already, which was always going to happen. A "community spokesman" from Goodna¹ was given a good run all day today on television news, lecturing uppity whitey about unhelpful (unacceptable and inappropriate etc etc) community outrage and victimisation of juveniles from traumatised war torn blah blah blah.
Early on senior plod announced the attack as not targeted, random (therefore unpremeditated and worthy of lower level charges). Courier Mail reporting has reverted to type - along the inevitable lines that the poor disadvantaged kiddies who inexplicably found themselves wielding battleaxes and pikes and such are just 13 or so, and therefore too immature to know right from wrong.
Their names have been suppressed to protect the guilty, 13 year old waifs who wander the streets in stolen cars at 3 am.
The police union has been spitting chips right from the jump and the Liberal Opposition made clear today the hundred or so new tracking anklets and recent enabling regulation had not been used once since inception by magistrates in sentencing. Not once.
As an indication of where this is headed - three females of Goodna-like appearance, who had broken all the rules on the Wuhan virus to visit Sydney then Melbourne to perform their role as high end accessories shop lifters (all true) and who carted the infection back with them and spread it about South Brisbane, appeared for sentencing earlier this year. The magistrate let them off without penalty because they had copped a hiding on anti-social media! Their several solicitors of course submitted the comments on EHarmony, Tinder or whatever were r-eight-cist and horrid.
The Toutai Kefu factor will, in time, be used without hesitation. I have no doubt the controlling powers will manipulate his strong Christian faith to advantage, ideally crafting a display of forgiveness.
All of this is merely observations based on past performance in similar circumstances.
¹ a spokesman from a place 14,000 kilometres and 20 hours by air to the west north west which must not be named because our diversity is our strength, evidently.
The reaction of the brother of one of the girls of "Goodna-like appearance" (very good btw) was typical of this attitude. He of course didnt even admit theyd done anything wrong and screamed racism. Which is nuts when considering the lynchmob attitude towards anyone who lies to officials and spreads Covid. The same goes to people freaking out about teenage home invaders armed with freaking machetes. I think people are a tad justified in being outraged about that. You would think that there would be some kind of introspection about this and acknowledgement of a serious problem. But it's usually just deflection and blame. It's a pretty big farking stretch to blame the country that's sheltered, fed and probably saved your life for then breaking into someone's home with a machete and carving up a family of Tongans. But then again, no one else ever owns their mistakes or takes accountability these days so why should they?
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@snowy said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mikethesnow said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Shambles
If Kefu had killed one of these boys in self-defence, what would have been Kefu's fate do you think?Toutai is beloved of Queensland rugby and business royalty Mike, powerful forces here whose wishes Labor and Liberal and National politicians pay close attention to. The connections are many and deep - Tim Horan's father was a senior politician for many years, Mark Loane is revered as the footballer he was and the outstanding eye surgeon he became.
When I started living here as well as in my Sydney home I was impressed with how cohesive and effective those forces are compared to down south - smaller, compact, a tight knit group with common purpose. Their Sydney counterparts are more factionalised and internally competitive.
The late Leo Williams comes to mind. He was chairman and board member of just about everything during his grand career in the law - commerce, racing, Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Channel 7, Chairman of the QRU and the ARU. He was quiet, personable and a fine leader who worked on succession in that role by the likes of Michael Lynagh and Brett Robinson (Brumbies inaugural captain). His successors would ensure the right messages were conveyed to the right people and Toutai would be well protected, that is certain.
In any event, from what I have read, Kefu's defensive actions would not attract a charge.
I have gone on, I know, but it was interesting to reflect and state what I have seen.
So basically Queensland is just as corrupt as it was under Jo?
Yep. But at least that corrupt old God botherer got things done. And was prettier than Pallachook.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
lynchmob attitude towards anyone who lies to officials and spreads Covid
small point of order, at this particular point in time it was highlighted by a number of different areas that there was a distinct difference in the media treatment of these girls, and a couple of, shall we say, paler, more affluent people who did the same thing.
The rest of the post is all good though.
And there is zero defence for these little fucks. Zero. This isn't pinching a car from the front of the house, this is entering a home, and maiming people with weapons you bought with you. Play bad games, win bad prizes.
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@mariner4life said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
lynchmob attitude towards anyone who lies to officials and spreads Covid
small point of order, at this particular point in time it was highlighted by a number of different areas that there was a distinct difference in the media treatment of these girls, and a couple of, shall we say, paler, more affluent people who did the same thing.
The rest of the post is all good though.
And there is zero defence for these little fucks. Zero. This isn't pinching a car from the front of the house, this is entering a home, and maiming people with weapons you bought with you. Play bad games, win bad prizes.
Can't agree. The only difference is that they somehow got pictures of them and they looked like a cross between a Kardashian and a dropped pie. That nurse who travelled around was absolutely destroyed. As were others. And just look at the hate directed at the "Karens". I don't believe for a minute that there would have been less abuse if these girls looked like the original inhabitants of Goodna.
On the other matter, there was a big report on ACA last night about youth crime, particularly home invasions. Didn't see much of it but it was depressing and frightening at the same time. The current system is clearly failing and, based on my own experience, that is because (as you said) there are zero farking consequences. Maybe it would have made no difference for Kefu's attackers because there are clearly some deeper, more complex issues with that community. But I don't believe the majority of these ferals would be committing these crimes with such impunity (and on camera) if there were actual consequences.
Getting deeply personal here, but there is an instinct to blame the parents. That's extremely unfair. I literally locked my son in the house. I installed locks on every door and kept the keys on me. He took a padlock and smashed a window to get out. I went to every agency or service I could think of, including my local member. But they all told me there was nothing I could do without his consent. He was 14 at the time. I was imploring Queensland Health for a mental health order and said that it was just a matter of time before I was seriously hurt (he'd smashed his room up and lit his bed on fire). Their reaction: "Well the system is very reactive." And what do you reckon would have happened if I'd laid a hand on him. I'd have been arrested and they would have taken my other son away from him. And didn't he fucking know that.
Sorry about the sidetrack and rambling but the system is completely fucked and I think I've made it clear who I blame for that. I'm all for personal responsibility but anyone who thinks you are able to exercise it yourself is kidding themselves.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Big fellas doing just fine. Great to see.
This photo absolutely warms my heart. Shit, I bet even Ron Cribb is happy to see this !!!!
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mariner4life said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
lynchmob attitude towards anyone who lies to officials and spreads Covid
small point of order, at this particular point in time it was highlighted by a number of different areas that there was a distinct difference in the media treatment of these girls, and a couple of, shall we say, paler, more affluent people who did the same thing.
The rest of the post is all good though.
And there is zero defence for these little fucks. Zero. This isn't pinching a car from the front of the house, this is entering a home, and maiming people with weapons you bought with you. Play bad games, win bad prizes.
Can't agree. The only difference is that they somehow got pictures of them and they looked like a cross between a Kardashian and a dropped pie. That nurse who travelled around was absolutely destroyed. As were others. And just look at the hate directed at the "Karens". I don't believe for a minute that there would have been less abuse if these girls looked like the original inhabitants of Goodna.
On the other matter, there was a big report on ACA last night about youth crime, particularly home invasions. Didn't see much of it but it was depressing and frightening at the same time. The current system is clearly failing and, based on my own experience, that is because (as you said) there are zero farking consequences. Maybe it would have made no difference for Kefu's attackers because there are clearly some deeper, more complex issues with that community. But I don't believe the majority of these ferals would be committing these crimes with such impunity (and on camera) if there were actual consequences.
Getting deeply personal here, but there is an instinct to blame the parents. That's extremely unfair. I literally locked my son in the house. I installed locks on every door and kept the keys on me. He took a padlock and smashed a window to get out. I went to every agency or service I could think of, including my local member. But they all told me there was nothing I could do without his consent. He was 14 at the time. I was imploring Queensland Health for a mental health order and said that it was just a matter of time before I was seriously hurt (he'd smashed his room up and lit his bed on fire). Their reaction: "Well the system is very reactive." And what do you reckon would have happened if I'd laid a hand on him. I'd have been arrested and they would have taken my other son away from him. And didn't he fucking know that.
Sorry about the sidetrack and rambling but the system is completely fucked and I think I've made it clear who I blame for that. I'm all for personal responsibility but anyone who thinks you are able to exercise it yourself is kidding themselves.
You’ve done it way tougher than most on here so it’s really shit you have to deal with what you are. Your friendly online Polish chicks are always here for a gripe/virtual beer though !
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@mariner4life said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
small point of order, at this particular point in time it was highlighted by a number of different areas that there was a distinct difference in the media treatment of these girls, and a couple of, shall we say, paler, more affluent people who did the same thing.
Albedo rating of perps is a factor, but affluence also I reckon.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Getting deeply personal here, but there is an instinct to blame the parents. That's extremely unfair. I literally locked my son in the house. I installed locks on every door and kept the keys on me. He took a padlock and smashed a window to get out. I went to every agency or service I could think of, including my local member. But they all told me there was nothing I could do without his consent. He was 14 at the time. I was imploring Queensland Health for a mental health order and said that it was just a matter of time before I was seriously hurt (he'd smashed his room up and lit his bed on fire). Their reaction: "Well the system is very reactive." And what do you reckon would have happened if I'd laid a hand on him. I'd have been arrested and they would have taken my other son away from him. And didn't he fucking know that.
Sorry about the sidetrack and rambling but the system is completely fucked and I think I've made it clear who I blame for that. I'm all for personal responsibility but anyone who thinks you are able to exercise it yourself is kidding themselves.
I agree with you. While there are kids out there that have no chance because of their parents, there are kids out there with loving parents/grandparents that are going off the rails. And there is nothing the parents can do and nothing the system can do.
A few examples that have stuck with me. More than a few years ago I was in the station when I looked up to see a cute wee girl aged about 5 walk in wearing her pajamas and holding her teddy bear. She told me "daddy keeps getting beaten up and I am too scared to live at home. " Turns out she was from one of our regular families. Druggy parents, brothers etc. Someone had smashed their way into the house and beaten the crap out of her father in front of her. The girl was handed over to the system and surprise surprise handed straight back to the family. Fast forward 10 years I attend a job where a female had been beaten by her boyfriend. It was the same girl. She was now drug addicted, a young mother, and living in a shit hole of a house with a loser. She had reached out all those years ago...
For a good two or three years we were getting desperate calls from a mother about her glue sniffing addicted daughter. The usual going missing or causing a disturbance type thing. She was always off her face. She was about 12 at the time. She disappeared for a few years and it was not long ago we attended a call about a girl looking like a vagrant in a park. It was the the glue addicted girl. This time she could not stand, could not talk properly and was on something worse than glue. Her skin was covered in those sores druggies get and her stomach looked horrendous. There was a note on our records that about 6 months prior she had been found by NSW police with a fresh wound to her stomach that looked like a back yard cesarean section had been done on her and the whereabouts of the baby was unknown. This girl's parents had tried everything to help her. The girl was let down by the 'system' when she was a young glue addict. Her rights and freedoms were paramount.
Another seemingly increasing problem is young kids with autism. There are some violent ones out there and again there is virtually nothing that can be done to help the parents. They are on their own. There is one 12 year old boy in our area that goes into a fit of rage and becomes violent. He beats his mum during these fits. Mum is single and there is a teenage girl sticking around at home to help mum. They can handle the boy for now, but each day this boy is getting stronger. One day he will be too strong. And one day he will be old enough to be in society on his own, living with a girlfriend, going out getting drunk...
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@crazy-horse fuck all of that. There's a reason I'm not a copper.
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@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Getting deeply personal here, but there is an instinct to blame the parents. That's extremely unfair. I literally locked my son in the house. I installed locks on every door and kept the keys on me. He took a padlock and smashed a window to get out. I went to every agency or service I could think of, including my local member. But they all told me there was nothing I could do without his consent. He was 14 at the time. I was imploring Queensland Health for a mental health order and said that it was just a matter of time before I was seriously hurt (he'd smashed his room up and lit his bed on fire). Their reaction: "Well the system is very reactive." And what do you reckon would have happened if I'd laid a hand on him. I'd have been arrested and they would have taken my other son away from him. And didn't he fucking know that.
Sorry about the sidetrack and rambling but the system is completely fucked and I think I've made it clear who I blame for that. I'm all for personal responsibility but anyone who thinks you are able to exercise it yourself is kidding themselves.
I agree with you. While there are kids out there that have no chance because of their parents, there are kids out there with loving parents/grandparents that are going off the rails. And there is nothing the parents can do and nothing the system can do.
A few examples that have stuck with me. More than a few years ago I was in the station when I looked up to see a cute wee girl aged about 5 walk in wearing her pajamas and holding her teddy bear. She told me "daddy keeps getting beaten up and I am too scared to live at home. " Turns out she was from one of our regular families. Druggy parents, brothers etc. Someone had smashed their way into the house and beaten the crap out of her father in front of her. The girl was handed over to the system and surprise surprise handed straight back to the family. Fast forward 10 years I attend a job where a female had been beaten by her boyfriend. It was the same girl. She was now drug addicted, a young mother, and living in a shit hole of a house with a loser. She had reached out all those years ago...
For a good two or three years we were getting desperate calls from a mother about her glue sniffing addicted daughter. The usual going missing or causing a disturbance type thing. She was always off her face. She was about 12 at the time. She disappeared for a few years and it was not long ago we attended a call about a girl looking like a vagrant in a park. It was the the glue addicted girl. This time she could not stand, could not talk properly and was on something worse than glue. Her skin was covered in those sores druggies get and her stomach looked horrendous. There was a note on our records that about 6 months prior she had been found by NSW police with a fresh wound to her stomach that looked like a back yard cesarean section had been done on her and the whereabouts of the baby was unknown. This girl's parents had tried everything to help her. The girl was let down by the 'system' when she was a young glue addict. Her rights and freedoms were paramount.
Another seemingly increasing problem is young kids with autism. There are some violent ones out there and again there is virtually nothing that can be done to help the parents. They are on their own. There is one 12 year old boy in our area that goes into a fit of rage and becomes violent. He beats his mum during these fits. Mum is single and there is a teenage girl sticking around at home to help mum. They can handle the boy for now, but each day this boy is getting stronger. One day he will be too strong. And one day he will be old enough to be in society on his own, living with a girlfriend, going out getting drunk...
Not only that but dare I say it “normal” kids will calm down if they are losing a fight. Not kids with autism or other difficulties. A woman I was seeing had a young boy with these issues, Dad had fucked off and was no where to be seen and I briefly took on the role of helping her out as best I could but that and a few other issues meant she was never a long term option. It’s very sad because she’ll be pushing 60 when this kid is a teenager and at his worst.
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@nta said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse fuck all of that. There's a reason I'm not a copper.
there is no amount of money in the world...
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@crazy-horse I can't upvote that. It's so depressing, but a good post.
I will say that at least you guys are doing what you can. Been through some rough shit myself and a sense of humour helps. You seem to have that sorted even if I am likely to be accidently shot should I set foot in Queensland.
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@snowy said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse I can't upvote that. It's so depressing, but a good post.
I will say that at least you guys are doing what you can. Been through some rough shit myself and a sense of humour helps. You seem to have that sorted even if I am likely to be accidently shot should I set foot in Queensland.
From my time working in comms I can confirm old school cops have some seriously twisted wit. I guess it’s a coping mechanism
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