Speeding
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@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I see Europe are making the Intelligent Speed Assistance mandatory in vehicles from 2022. Basically, the car reads the speed signs and warns you if you are speeding, if you do nothing it reduces power to the engine causing the car to slow down. Insurance premiums will be cheaper for those with the technology as you are less likely to crash if using this system. I think the early systems can be overridden but I assume in the future there will be a time that it is almost impossible to speed.
Let's see if we can suck even more fun out of life.
Thank fuck for Aeroplanes and track days.
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@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I see Europe are making the Intelligent Speed Assistance mandatory in vehicles from 2022. Basically, the car reads the speed signs and warns you if you are speeding, if you do nothing it reduces power to the engine causing the car to slow down. Insurance premiums will be cheaper for those with the technology as you are less likely to crash if using this system. I think the early systems can be overridden but I assume in the future there will be a time that it is almost impossible to speed.
Thankfully bikes don't do this shit.
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I am genuinely surprised by the negativity of a system that saves lives and keeps us all safer. It may actually be a good thing for car clubs and track days as it will encourage people to speed on purpose-built tracks, not public roads.
I guess my PTSD from seeing so much road trauma and delivering death messages has made me cynical when it comes to speeding.
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@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I am genuinely surprised by the negativity of a system that saves lives and keeps us all safer. It may actually be a good thing for car clubs and track days as it will encourage people to speed on purpose-built tracks, not public roads.
I guess my PTSD from seeing so much road trauma and delivering death messages has made me cynical when it comes to speeding.
I’m the same, so looking forward to the days when you don’t drive -lives, time and energy will be saved
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@machpants said in Grumpy Old Man:
@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I am genuinely surprised by the negativity of a system that saves lives and keeps us all safer. It may actually be a good thing for car clubs and track days as it will encourage people to speed on purpose-built tracks, not public roads.
I guess my PTSD from seeing so much road trauma and delivering death messages has made me cynical when it comes to speeding.
I’m the same, so looking forward to the days when you don’t drive -lives, time and energy will be saved
not to mention the unnecessary angst caused by the fact it's impossible to not get fucked off with other drivers.
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@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I am genuinely surprised by the negativity of a system that saves lives and keeps us all safer.
They changed all of our speed limits around here recently and most of them are farcical. I can do 100kph on metal roads but 40 on the sealed road just a little further on.
I see the carnage about once a week so know what you are saying, but restricting people from actually driving cars is also pretty fucked. I like driving and the speed limits are just plain dumb on so many roads. There is no difference in limit from where my road goes from sealed to basically mud (it should be metal - but council).
I just don't like the idea of a complete nanny state and being controlled by machines. I like automation, but not it being in control.
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@snowy speed limits are up the crapper. Some are too high, a helluva lot are too low.
Why do we have 110 Hamilton - Cambridge but not other parts of Waikato Expressway or Albany -Puhoi.
They're talking about making Taupo - Napier 80 kph. I get there are a fair number of fatalities on that road and many of them are speed related but I'm betting where speed is involved there are other factors as well. Plus I reckon they'll be well over the current limit and won't be the type of driver who drops from 130 to 110 because the new limit has gone down 20 kph.
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@dogmeat said in Grumpy Old Man:
Albany -Puhoi.
Was designed to be 120KPH apparently. Was a very funny letter to the local paper comparing it to the "road of death" (Pakistan I think) when letter writer got a speeding ticket and mentioned all of the burning wrecks on the side of the road (not) and how he felt so guilty doing 110KPH.
Yes, in general limits are a joke.
If they want to implement tech to control speed then it should also be car specific (unrealistic I know). A late model audi RS quatro is one hell of a lot safer than a 1970 Nissan Skyline. Both seriously quick, but traction control, better bakes, all of the driver assists just makes one way safer than the other.
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@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I am genuinely surprised by the negativity of a system that saves lives and keeps us all safer. It may actually be a good thing for car clubs and track days as it will encourage people to speed on purpose-built tracks, not public roads.
A system like that would be lethal on a motorcycle where a motorbike's superior acceleration gets you out of more accident situations than braking
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@dogmeat said in Grumpy Old Man:
@snowy speed limits are up the crapper. Some are too high, a helluva lot are too low.
Why do we have 110 Hamilton - Cambridge but not other parts of Waikato Expressway or Albany -Puhoi.
They're talking about making Taupo - Napier 80 kph. I get there are a fair number of fatalities on that road and many of them are speed related but I'm betting where speed is involved there are other factors as well. Plus I reckon they'll be well over the current limit and won't be the type of driver who drops from 130 to 110 because the new limit has gone down 20 kph.
Is any other country as strict as NZ on speed limits & advertising / enforcement of them?
You don't read / hear much about speeding here. There was an article last night about changing things to specifically target young men as they are over represented in the statistics. Thats the first thing I can remember in the 4 years I've lived here about them. There are a few speed camera's around on the M roads, although it's well known where they aren't - top of the M3 is key one. I was doing 90mph up there the other day, and 3 series BMW came past me with at least 40-50mph speed differential. That's well over 200kph in real currency. You don't see that as often anymore, but when the roads are clear, the "fast lane" will generally be going 85-90. Not as high as it once was. It's basically advertised that you can do 77mph without getting a ticket.
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@majorrage said in Grumpy Old Man:
@dogmeat said in Grumpy Old Man:
@snowy speed limits are up the crapper. Some are too high, a helluva lot are too low.
Why do we have 110 Hamilton - Cambridge but not other parts of Waikato Expressway or Albany -Puhoi.
They're talking about making Taupo - Napier 80 kph. I get there are a fair number of fatalities on that road and many of them are speed related but I'm betting where speed is involved there are other factors as well. Plus I reckon they'll be well over the current limit and won't be the type of driver who drops from 130 to 110 because the new limit has gone down 20 kph.
Is any other country as strict as NZ on speed limits & advertising / enforcement of them?
oh but our roads are UNIQUE
Yeah its a ridiculous thing to focus on methinks. 100kmh will kill you easily if you hit something. Why not focus on stopping people hitting things? Their speed becomes irrelevant then.
Anyway I've talked to till I'm blue in the face about this on other forums. Don't know how we can change the attitude.
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Make speed limits too low and drivers will get bored. Bored drivers get distracted/lose concentration.
Driver aids are a distraction too. The other day I was at work driving a car borrowed from somewhere else. Same type of car as ours, but as I was to find out the driver warnings had not been turned off. Anyway, I approached some cars stopped at traffic lights a little too fast for the car's liking. The fucking thing starts screaming and flashing at me so I instinctively take my eyes off the road to see what the drama was all about. I look back up in time to slam on the brakes and narrowly avoid a nose to tail. I had it all under control up until my car distracted me.
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@victor-meldrew said in Grumpy Old Man:
@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
I am genuinely surprised by the negativity of a system that saves lives and keeps us all safer. It may actually be a good thing for car clubs and track days as it will encourage people to speed on purpose-built tracks, not public roads.
A system like that would be lethal on a motorcycle where a motorbike's superior acceleration gets you out of more accident situations than braking
The system does not stop acceleration, the current system allows you to accelerate for a period if needed but then continues to warn you and will reduce power until you slow down. I think there is a difference between speeding and acceleration. There is an article here explaining it. https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/safety/speed-limiters-mandatory-on-new-cars
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@majorrage said in Grumpy Old Man:
Is any other country as strict as NZ on speed limits & advertising / enforcement of them?
Missed my connecting flight to Bathurst a couple of years back when I landed in Sydney from NZ, so had to hire a car and drive. The fucking speed limit felt like it was changing every 500m once I got off the main highways and there was several times where I was driving 4/6 lane roads with very sparse or no residential around and going just over the 40kph speed limit.
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@bones said in Grumpy Old Man:
@majorrage said in Grumpy Old Man:
Is any other country as strict as NZ on speed limits & advertising / enforcement of them?
Missed my connecting flight to Bathurst a couple of years back when I landed in Sydney from NZ, so had to hire a car and drive. The fucking speed limit felt like it was changing every 500m once I got off the main highways and there was several times where I was driving 4/6 lane roads with very sparse or no residential around and going just over the 40kph speed limit.
I was going to reply that Australia is pedantic over speeding and it's getting worse. Bend in a road? Better slow the traffic down to 80! A hill with winding roads. 60! Aussies and corners don't mix.
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@crazy-horse said in Grumpy Old Man:
@bones said in Grumpy Old Man:
@majorrage said in Grumpy Old Man:
Is any other country as strict as NZ on speed limits & advertising / enforcement of them?
Missed my connecting flight to Bathurst a couple of years back when I landed in Sydney from NZ, so had to hire a car and drive. The fucking speed limit felt like it was changing every 500m once I got off the main highways and there was several times where I was driving 4/6 lane roads with very sparse or no residential around and going just over the 40kph speed limit.
I was going to reply that Australia is pedantic over speeding and it's getting worse. Bend in a road? Better slow the traffic down to 80! A hill with winding roads. 60! Aussies and corners don't mix.
That s fair enough when such a large percentage drive Commodore's and Falcons.
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@chimoaus said in Grumpy Old Man:
The system does not stop acceleration, the current system allows you to accelerate for a period if needed but then continues to warn you and will reduce power until you slow down. I think there is a difference between speeding and acceleration. There is an article here explaining it. https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/safety/speed-limiters-mandatory-on-new-cars
Which is why it would kill riders if it were fitted to motorcycles.
You over-take a car safely on a 80kph road and find another car hasn't seen you and has pulled into the road and is is travelling towards you. You either brake sharply, which can be dangerous in the wet, and hope you have space to move back into you're lane, or you drop down a cog and wind open the throttle to pass safely. Happened last week to me and I easily hit 140-150 kph during the manoeuvre - and every motorcyclist will tell you similar stories.
If fitted to my motorcycle I'd have lost power at a critical moment and probably had a head-on collision - and unlike cars there's no airbags or seatbelts to save my life.
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My new car has all that safety tech. The radar cruise control reads the road signs and suggests that as the speed. Hit set and your done. Or you can get the car to automatically set the control every time it reads a speed limit sign without intervention. You can also add in a tolerance, so if the sign says 100 you can get it to set to 104 or 107. And it lets you have different tolerances for under 60 kmh and over, so you can set the around town limits to be slower than the sign.
And you can disable the whole lot with one prod of a button on the dash.
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@victor-meldrew Yeah, its very lost on most law enforcement that power can you get out of situations as much as it can get you into them.
Although I guess the argument is that you shouldn't have got yourself in the situation anyway ....
@jc said in Grumpy Old Man:
My new car has all that safety tech. The radar cruise control reads the road signs and suggests that as the speed. Hit set and your done. Or you can get the car to automatically set the control every time it reads a speed limit sign without intervention. You can also add in a tolerance, so if the sign says 100 you can get it to set to 104 or 107. And it lets you have different tolerances for under 60 kmh and over, so you can set the around town limits to be slower than the sign.
And you can disable the whole lot with one prod of a button on the dash.
Will you use it? Most people who buy GT-R's aren't really interested in having their cars drive themselves ....
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@majorrage Yep. Every day. I have to admit that in every way except hoon factor it is a better car than the Kamikaze Killer.
