All Blacks 2022
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
I didn't follow the thread or get to see the game but the comments don't seem too angry or upset? So was it good in retrospect to evaluate pros and cons of the current team?
But the way England came back seems very AB-like.
Perhaps they were quite fit or the bench far superior (or the AB bench the converse?)It has been a problem this last 2 seasons poor finishes to games in the last 20min.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
I didn't follow the thread or get to see the game but the comments don't seem too angry or upset? So was it good in retrospect to evaluate pros and cons of the current team?
But the way England came back seems very AB-like.
Perhaps they were quite fit or the bench far superior (or the AB bench the converse?)It has been a problem this last 2 seasons poor finishes to games in the last 20min.
Need to sort that come WC playoff time, does it point to the bench being wrongly selected at times I think so.And a lack of game management from our tens, and in this case TJ.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
But the way England came back seems very AB-like.
Perhaps they were quite fit or the bench far superior (or the AB bench the converse?)I reckon you could characterize it as Chiefs-like. Those feckers are masters at it!
In the past decade I've watched a heap of games where one team has been comfortably dominating and then in the last 15 minutes the opposition has thrown caution to the wind, run from everywhere, and finished over the top.
The most egregious example was probably Auckland finishing over the top of Otago - scoring two tries in the last 2 minutes and extending some massive record of losing.
It's pretty disconcerting to see the ABs succumb to this, but I guess we've inflicted it a few times.
Somehow, you've GOT to force an error!!!
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Unbeaten in the NH tour but ... A very poor performance against Japan, followed by a convincing win against Wales (but the Taffies are really weak these days), then by another poor display for most of the game against Scotland. I don’t know which qualitative note to attribute to the New Zealand performance of this weekend. Good to very good for the forwards, average to bad for the game management.
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Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
So we want to fix that bit about the last 10 minutes right?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim I'd rather go with the kind of performance Robertson got out of the Crusaders in the SRP final.
Rely on key opposition players being injured and pray for rain?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan If you don't really have answers because what someone said is true, you come with excuses and insults. But you do you!
Oh, I guess I missed the substantive content of "tee hee, I hit a nerve!". Great response!
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
Um. I don't think Dalton and a dry track would have fixed the lineouts. That was a convincing win.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
Southern Hemsiphere teams and Northern Hemisphere refs aren't a happy combo.
Interesting analysis
you dont think its fair? the NH and SH definitely seem to interpret the rules differently
Without the breakdown of whether a NH or SH was reffing a particular match it's impossible to determine that
dont we have at least a good feel for that? the vast majority of super rugby games are reffed by SH refs
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
Um. I don't think Dalton and a dry track would have fixed the lineouts. That was a convincing win.
IMO, it would have opened the game up and reduced the number of lineouts. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a convincing win, but it's obvious the conditions played a factor and enabled the Crusaders to play to their strengths. My evidence? Look at the game with the same teams in Christchurch - where we could impose our strengths.
It's also obvious that Dalton's injury had a huge impact on the team, he was the form flanker of the competition by some distance.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
Um. I don't think Dalton and a dry track would have fixed the lineouts. That was a convincing win.
IMO, it would have opened the game up and reduced the number of lineouts. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a convincing win, but it's obvious the conditions played a factor and enabled the Crusaders to play to their strengths. My evidence? Look at the game with the same teams in Christchurch - where we could impose our strengths.
It's also obvious that Dalton's injury had a huge impact on the team, he was the form flanker of the competition by some distance.
Ok that is a reasonable explanation, so it is a possibility but I don't share your conviction it would be likely.
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The year in summary as per me
Won 8, lost 4, drew 1
Best Performance: South Africa 2 because it was a little unexpected, and we were fucking smart at the death
Worst Performance: Argentina in Christchurch the worst result, but i have never seen an AB team so outplayed as South Africa 1. They were never a chance, and if anything that last try made the scoreline reflect the game, no matter how it came about.Finds: Sami T, Lomax, de Groot.
Biggest Improvers: S Barrett. A Savea. D Papali'i (at the end of the year at least)
Should be Worried About Their Spots: BBarrett, D Havili, S Cane,Brightest Green Shoots: The forward play at the back end was excellent. Direct and Brutal. The makings of a good midfield has been fallen in to.
Areas of Concern: Depth outside the top maybe 18 players. The play at 10. The quality of our outside backs. Leadership and discipline. Giving up 20+ points every week.The year gets a pass mark from me. Some average results and average rugby mixed in with some great rugby and great results. Some areas of improvement, some ex-problem areas that have been fixed. Other problem areas now highlighted with no obvious fixes. We've got a pretty handy starting 15 but she's a little bare behind that to be honest. And we will continue to be beatable if we cannot control a game for 80. Being reliant on inspiration and not control will always lead to variable results.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
The year in summary as per me
Won 8, lost 4, drew 1
Best Performance: South Africa 2 because it was a little unexpected, and we were fucking smart at the death
Worst Performance: Argentina in Christchurch the worst result, but i have never seen an AB team so outplayed as South Africa 1. They were never a chance, and if anything that last try made the scoreline reflect the game, no matter how it came about.Finds: Sami T, Lomax, de Groot.
Biggest Improvers: S Barrett. A Savea. D Papali'i (at the end of the year at least)
Should be Worried About Their Spots: BBarrett, D Havili, S Cane,Brightest Green Shoots: The forward play at the back end was excellent. Direct and Brutal. The makings of a good midfield has been fallen in to.
Areas of Concern: Depth outside the top maybe 18 players. The play at 10. The quality of our outside backs. Leadership and discipline. Giving up 20+ points every week.The year gets a pass mark from me. Some average results and average rugby mixed in with some great rugby and great results. Some areas of improvement, some ex-problem areas that have been fixed. Other problem areas now highlighted with no obvious fixes. We've got a pretty handy starting 15 but she's a little bare behind that to be honest. And we will continue to be beatable if we cannot control a game for 80. Being reliant on inspiration and not control will always lead to variable results.
Man you obvisoulsy didn’t watch the semi in 2019, we only scored by a fluke!
I’ll agree with most of your assessments, tho Ardie has improved he’s certainly not a biggest improver being the ABs best for quite a few years. I’d put Scott Barrett in there, he’s a better player than BBBR and SW now IMO
