Old AB teams discussion
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For all the discussion of old squads.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
That won't be happening this time
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
That won't be happening this time
Exactly. Every rival coach will have been studying every single minute of RTS and how he has gone at Super Rugby so far.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
If you mean Kirwan then I agree his value to the 95 RWC side as a poorly performing utility back for the Auckland Warriors has been long overlooked.
@canefan We definitely weren't favourites - Oz and SA (as hosts) and France were considered the best chances. Then us.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
If you mean Kirwan then I agree his value to the 95 RWC side as a poorly performing utility back for the Auckland Warriors has been long overlooked.
@canefan We definitely weren't favourites - Oz and SA (as hosts) and France were considered the best chances. Then us.
Na the guy who played in the seven jersey after Michael Jones and before Richie McCaw.
Of course if I were selector another capped AB called JK would be that guy who scored the winner for the saders in 98.
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@mn5 doh The anti nuclear campaigner My bad.
Never heard him called JK
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@mn5 doh The anti nuclear campaigner My bad.
Never heard him called JK
I remember some promo on the news saying there is a new JK in the ABs. Crikey, 27 years ago !
Of course I can’t remember specific moments in AB games as recently as last year so that could be the alzheimers creeping in rapidly.
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@mn5 said in Old AB teams discussion:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
If you mean Kirwan then I agree his value to the 95 RWC side as a poorly performing utility back for the Auckland Warriors has been long overlooked.
@canefan We definitely weren't favourites - Oz and SA (as hosts) and France were considered the best chances. Then us.
Na the guy who played in the seven jersey after Michael Jones and before Richie McCaw.
Of course if I were selector another capped AB called JK would be that guy who scored the winner for the saders in 98.
James Kerr
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1995 was a really weird year rugby calendar wise for the ABs compared to now.
One test vs Canada in April
Then RWC in May/June (6 tests)
Then 2 test Bledisloe in July
Then 3 test tour of Italy France in October/November (plus 5 non-test tour games).
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@dogmeat said in Old AB teams discussion:
a poorly performing utility back for the Auckland Warriors
That's some revisionist history. He was actually a pretty good performing wing for the Warriors, especially for an old man.
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@dogmeat said in Old AB teams discussion:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
If you mean Kirwan then I agree his value to the 95 RWC side as a poorly performing utility back for the Auckland Warriors has been long overlooked.
@canefan We definitely weren't favourites - Oz and SA (as hosts) and France were considered the best chances. Then us.
And England.
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@nepia He was clearly signed for the publicity. He did better in 96 but that first year my recollection is he was a bit losyt. Looked it up he had 16 games for 3 tries and is described as a modest performer
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@mn5 said in Old AB teams discussion:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan 95 was nothing like the situation now. We were inconsistent but had beaten the Boks and Lions in the preceding two seasons.
Fozzie's team beat those they should and lose the other games
Yeah my analogy isn't perfect. My recollection was that Laurie only settled on his top lineup just before the tourney, I don't remember us being mentioned as favourites. Right now we look at sea in every department
Some surprise Superstars called Jonah, Oz, JK and Merhts helped too it has to be said.
That won't be happening this time
Exactly. Every rival coach will have been studying every single minute of RTS and how he has gone at Super Rugby so far.
Hell that won't take long, as he has only played 120 minutes.
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Can't really find a better thread to put this in, but Izzy Dagg tells a great story.
GOOD YARNS | Israel Dagg breaks down his 2010 match winner in South...
536K views, 9.4K likes, 1.5K loves, 1K comments, 882 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from All Blacks: Absolute gold from Izzy 😂 Israel Dagg breaks down his 2010 match winner in South Africa.
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@taniwharugby said in Old AB teams discussion:
Can't really find a better thread to put this in, but Izzy Dagg tells a great story.
536K views, 9.4K likes, 1.5K loves, 1K comments, 882 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from All Blacks: Absolute gold from Izzy 😂 Israel Dagg breaks down his 2010 match winner in South Africa.
Just watched that on FB and came here looking for a place to post it. Love the CJ part at the end.
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@dogmeat said in Old AB teams discussion:
@nepia He was clearly signed for the publicity. He did better in 96 but that first year my recollection is he was a bit losyt. Looked it up he had 16 games for 3 tries and is described as a modest performer
Plenty were asking the question after 95 if it was just a PR stunt by the Warriors, because he wasn’t great shakes at all.
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@taniwharugby HE’S GOT DAGG!
Those close test matches (and there were plenty of them back then) didn’t do the heart any great favours.
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I'll never forget that game, Smit getting a 100th test silver boot
