How many Crusaders in your AB 23?
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@kiwi_expat I am of the belief that the NZ XV side which was coached by Leon Macdonald was close to what will be rolled out in the not too distant future. The Saders have started off fairly slow this year and the coach has experienced a few disruptions.
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@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
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@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
No argument from me but it’s replacing the same sort of player with another one of the same.
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@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
No argument from me but it’s replacing the same sort of player with another one of the same.
Maybe he'll be better than the other two? May as well give him a shot and we can annoy both you lot and the Blues at the same time.
Also, this same sort is a lot braver in defence ...
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@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
No argument from me but it’s replacing the same sort of player with another one of the same.
Maybe he'll be better than the other two? May as well give him a shot and we can annoy both you lot and the Blues at the same time.
Also, this same sort is a lot braver in defence ...
It won’t annoy me mate,I can sit back and bag the shit out of a Chiefs player and he will give me plenty of ammo.
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A couple of early season loses, doesn’t mean this will be too far off from previous years.
Barrett and Whitelock are certainties, as are Mounga , Jordan and some others.
Hopefully we don’t have Philpott selections i.e. Enor
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The form side so far:
- E De Groot
- S Taukei'aho
- T Lomax
- B Retallick
- S Barrett
- E Blackadder
- D Papalii
- A Savea
- B Webber
- D Mckenzie
- S Reece
- J Barrett
- A Nankivell
- M Telea
- S Stevenson
Vs what they will pick:
1.E De Groot
2. C Taylor
3. T Lomax
4. B Retallick
5. S Barrett
6. S Frizzell
7. S Cane
8. A Savea
9. A Smith
10. R Mo'unga
11. C Clarke
12. J Barrett
13. R Ioane
14. M Telea
15. B Barrett -
@Mackerzzzz I bloody hope they don't pick on form at this stage of year, after plenty only playing 1 or 2 games. I know form teams are just that, and have no relation to who should be in test team.
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@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
No argument from me but it’s replacing the same sort of player with another one of the same.
Maybe he'll be better than the other two? May as well give him a shot and we can annoy both you lot and the Blues at the same time.
Also, this same sort is a lot braver in defence ...
It won’t annoy me mate,I can sit back and bag the shit out of a Chiefs player and he will give me plenty of ammo.
Difference between you and me I guess. I don’t bag the shot out of Mo despite the frequency of the ammo. 🤣
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@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
No argument from me but it’s replacing the same sort of player with another one of the same.
Maybe he'll be better than the other two? May as well give him a shot and we can annoy both you lot and the Blues at the same time.
Also, this same sort is a lot braver in defence ...
It won’t annoy me mate,I can sit back and bag the shit out of a Chiefs player and he will give me plenty of ammo.
Difference between you and me I guess. I don’t bag the shot out of Mo despite the frequency of the ammo. 🤣
Feel free too it’s open season on ABs and coach’s
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@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Chris said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
10 months later & I would only have one Crusader starting and that would be Scott Barrett.
McKenzie is a superior player to Mo'unga whether that be at 10 or 15.
Yep the way D Mac missed touch from penalties kicked like a retard and dropped the ball 3 times cold in his last outing he sure looked it.
If Mo wasn't prone to all of that regularly then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...
No argument from me but it’s replacing the same sort of player with another one of the same.
Maybe he'll be better than the other two? May as well give him a shot and we can annoy both you lot and the Blues at the same time.
Also, this same sort is a lot braver in defence ...
It won’t annoy me mate,I can sit back and bag the shit out of a Chiefs player and he will give me plenty of ammo.
Difference between you and me I guess. I don’t bag the shot out of Mo despite the frequency of the ammo. 🤣
Feel free too it’s open season on ABs and coach’s
Nah, my feelings about Mo and BB are I just don’t care to bag either of them out as they both have issues.
The coach stuff is mostly boring now.
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@Nepia said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
The coach stuff is mostly boring now.
We're degenerating into 'knocking the others makes my dude better'. It's like the politics thread all over again. We unite that Foster's must go, but after that it's more factions than a political conference.
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@Mackerzzzz said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
The form side so far:
- E De Groot
- S Taukei'aho
- T Lomax
- B Retallick
- S Barrett
- E Blackadder
- D Papalii
- A Savea
- B Webber
- D Mckenzie
- S Reece
- J Barrett
- A Nankivell
- M Telea
- S Stevenson
Vs what they will pick:
1.E De Groot
2. C Taylor
3. T Lomax
4. B Retallick
5. S Barrett
6. S Frizzell
7. S Cane
8. A Savea
9. A Smith
10. R Mo'unga
11. C Clarke
12. J Barrett
13. R Ioane
14. M Telea
15. B BarrettAumua surely replaces Taylor in the 23, another Crusaders All Black who's about 5 years past his best.
Impressive how Razor won the title in 2022, considering his fading, ageing or limited (now mainly fringe All Blacks) who simply pale in comparison to the dynamic talent on display in those Chiefs, Blues, Canes squads.
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@kiwi_expat Buy a new record. This is one is broken. In about a 1000 pieces.
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@Stargazer said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@kiwi_expat Buy a new record. This is one is broken. In about a 1000 pieces.
the award's sewn up at this years Fernies
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@antipodean said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
Like anyone sane Whitelock, Jordan and Reece start. Taylor, Mounga, Barrett on the bench.
I'd add Taylor was arguably the most improved AB last year and the Taylor starting/Sami finishing approach we used at times worked well.
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I take it you guys haven't been watching Aumua in last 6 months? You think Leo Crowley would prefer 32 old Taylor over a 25 year athletic peaking Asafo? Or ya just didn't notice Wellington's front row destroy everything in it's path en route to their 1st title in 22 years?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
I'd add Taylor was arguably the most improved AB last year and the Taylor starting/Sami finishing approach we used at times worked well.
Taylor was woeful in the Irish series so there was only one way his form could go from there. Coles is the hooker most at risk due to age, and I would select Aumua in the ABs ahead of him.
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Once Taylor got over his problems he was good and I liked the Taylor/Sami combo - thought it worked really well and gave options depending on who we were playing.
Agree on Coles and Aumua. The latter has looked good so far (only 2 games I know) and is experienced
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@Bovidae said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:
I'd add Taylor was arguably the most improved AB last year and the Taylor starting/Sami finishing approach we used at times worked well.
Taylor was woeful in the Irish series so there was only one way his form could go from there. Coles is the hooker most at risk due to age, and I would select Aumua in the ABs ahead of him.
This year Aumua seems to have cut out those stupid brain fart high or late hits which is good to see.
He has more impact than Coles now IMO.
