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    How many Crusaders in your AB 23?

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    • Duluth
      Duluth last edited by

      How many Crusaders in your match day 23 vs Ireland. If you had to pick right now, knowing what you know right now

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      • Duluth
        Duluth last edited by

        This has come up in few discussions. I'm interested to see what peoples opinions actually are

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        • Duluth
          Duluth last edited by

          I went through a few scenarios and came up with 7, 8 or 9. I went for the average

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          • Hooroo
            Hooroo last edited by

            So long as Will Jordan is in I don’t care how many else.

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            • FakatavaAllBlack
              FakatavaAllBlack @Duluth last edited by

              @duluth Whitelock & Jordan Starters, Reece right wing if Jordans fb
              Taylor, Mounga on the bench. It might be controversial but incumbents such as Joe Moody & George Bridge wouldn't make my 23, I do have a soft spot for Bridgey though maybe he can run the water?

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                Old Samurai Jack last edited by

                Moody
                Taylor (bench)
                Whitelock
                Barrett (bench)
                Blackadder (bench)
                Mounga (bench)
                Havili (bench or starter if JB fullback)
                Jordan
                Reece

                • maybe too early in the season to be sure yet but Newell and LF thereabouts
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                • sparky
                  sparky last edited by

                  For sure: Moody, Taylor, Whitelock, Jordan
                  Maybe: S.Barrett, E.Blackadder, Mo'unga, Reece.

                  8 max but will probably be lowered than that.

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                  • Victor Meldrew
                    Victor Meldrew @sparky last edited by Victor Meldrew

                    @sparky said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                    For sure: Moody, Taylor, Whitelock, Jordan
                    Maybe: S.Barrett, E.Blackadder, Mo'unga, Reece.

                    8 max but will probably be lowered than that.

                    Pretty much spot-on for me. I'd poss. swap Taylor for Reece on the bench and add Havili there too as a utility back.

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                    • nzzp
                      nzzp @Old Samurai Jack last edited by

                      @old-samurai-jack 9 people, but you voted 10 or 11?

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                      • nzzp
                        nzzp @sparky last edited by

                        @sparky said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                        For sure: Moody, Taylor, Whitelock, Jordan
                        Maybe: S.Barrett, E.Blackadder, Mo'unga, Reece.

                        8 max but will probably be lowered than that.

                        Spot on for the squad.

                        How many make the 23 is another question.

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                          Old Samurai Jack @nzzp last edited by

                          @nzzp Yeah, made a mistake and then couldn't correct it.

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                          • Bones
                            Bones @Old Samurai Jack last edited by

                            @old-samurai-jack said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                            @nzzp Yeah, made a mistake and then couldn't correct it.

                            Scooter is that you?

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                            • Yeetyaah
                              Yeetyaah last edited by

                              As long as Bridge isn't there then it's fine.

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                                Old Samurai Jack @Yeetyaah last edited by

                                @yeetyaah Ennor is harder to explain than Bridge. Before Bridge's form dropped he was quite handy.

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                                • MN5
                                  MN5 last edited by

                                  Has @shark voted yet ?

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                                  • Frank
                                    Frank last edited by Frank

                                    Creme de la creme - Jordan, Whitelock

                                    Probables- Scott Barrett, Moody, Taylor, Mounga, Blackadder, Reece.

                                    Maybes - Havili, Gallagher, Newell

                                    Fuck offs - Ennor, Bridge, Bower, Ennor and Bridge.

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                                    • FakatavaAllBlack
                                      FakatavaAllBlack @Frank last edited by

                                      @frank does Cullen Grace remain a 1 test all black like other infamous crusaders such as Brett Cameron & George Whitelock? or will Grace eventually be back in the fold? lots of competition at 8 with Savea, Hoskins, Jacobson & Pita Gus🤔

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                                      • Bones
                                        Bones @FakatavaAllBlack last edited by

                                        @fakatavafuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                        @frank does Cullen Grace remain a 1 test all black like other infamous crusaders such as Brett Cameron & George Whitelock? or will Grace eventually be back in the fold? lots of competition at 8 with Savea, Hoskins, Jacobson & Pita Gus🤔

                                        He'll be back, looks to be hitting his straps again and bloody young. More versatile than Sotutu... but very similar to Blackadder.

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                                        • Bones
                                          Bones @Old Samurai Jack last edited by

                                          @old-samurai-jack said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                          @yeetyaah Ennor is harder to explain than Bridge. Before Bridge's form dropped he was quite handy.

                                          Was a shoe in for left wing, then Robertson fucked him over at centre and forced Foster to show how wrong that was.

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                                          • sparky
                                            sparky @nzzp last edited by

                                            @nzzp I voted 7. I'd really want a First Five against Ireland whose defence is better than Richie Mo'unga's.

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                                              African Monkey @FakatavaAllBlack last edited by

                                              @fakatavafuture He'll be back. He was just picked way before his time but he goes alright, just a bit overhyped too quickly.

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                                                ARHS last edited by

                                                I would have Jordan Reece Mounga Whitelock Moody Taylor and Newell. Rm Ct and Fn on bench. Others start

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                                                • ACT Crusader
                                                  ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                  I’d have Jordan, Moody, Reece, Mo’unga, Whitelock and Taylor starting.

                                                  Blackadder off the bench.

                                                  Scott Barrett in the squad.

                                                  In an extended squad I would think about Fainga'anuku and Grace, but they’d be making up the numbers.

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                                                  • mariner4life
                                                    mariner4life last edited by

                                                    Moody, whitelock, Reece and Jordan starting

                                                    De Groot and mounga off the bench.

                                                    6 of 23 sounds about right.

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                                                    • FakatavaAllBlack
                                                      FakatavaAllBlack @mariner4life last edited by

                                                      @mariner4life De Groot would never do a Justin Marshall & betray the people of Gore to wear red & black

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                                                      • mariner4life
                                                        mariner4life @FakatavaAllBlack last edited by

                                                        @fakatavafuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                        @mariner4life De Groot would never do a Justin Marshall & betray the people of Gore to wear red & black

                                                        Lol jesus that's a shocker.

                                                        Drop it by 1 then

                                                        Which now seems light.

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                                                        • gt12
                                                          gt12 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                          @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                          @fakatavafuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                          @mariner4life De Groot would never do a Justin Marshall & betray the people of Gore to wear red & black

                                                          Lol jesus that's a shocker.

                                                          Drop it by 1 then

                                                          Which now seems light.

                                                          Taylor is probably still number 2 number 2. That’s six.

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                                                          • mariner4life
                                                            mariner4life @gt12 last edited by

                                                            @gt12 said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                            @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                            @fakatavafuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                            @mariner4life De Groot would never do a Justin Marshall & betray the people of Gore to wear red & black

                                                            Lol jesus that's a shocker.

                                                            Drop it by 1 then

                                                            Which now seems light.

                                                            Taylor is probably still number 2 number 2. That’s six.

                                                            I still like Coles. Taylor was dogshit at test level last year.

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                                                            • gt12
                                                              gt12 @mariner4life last edited by

                                                              @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                              @gt12 said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                              @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                              @fakatavafuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                              @mariner4life De Groot would never do a Justin Marshall & betray the people of Gore to wear red & black

                                                              Lol jesus that's a shocker.

                                                              Drop it by 1 then

                                                              Which now seems light.

                                                              Taylor is probably still number 2 number 2. That’s six.

                                                              I still like Coles. Taylor was dogshit at test level last year.

                                                              Fair, but Coles is injured.

                                                              Either way, he still makes the squad.

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                                                              • NTA
                                                                NTA last edited by

                                                                @yeetyaah said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                As long as Bridge isn't there then it's fine.

                                                                Should have been a poll option, really.... I mean, given the history of The Fern.

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                                                                • JK
                                                                  JK last edited by

                                                                  @mn5 said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                  Has @shark voted yet ?

                                                                  Probably trying to work out which crusaders to leave out of the 23

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                                                                  • antipodean
                                                                    antipodean last edited by

                                                                    Based on fitness and form:

                                                                    Like anyone sane Whitelock, Jordan and Reece start. Taylor, Mounga, Barrett on the bench.

                                                                    Actually Moody as well because I'm unconvinced about the depth at loosehead. So I guess that makes seven.

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                                                                    • Chris B.
                                                                      Chris B. last edited by

                                                                      First test against Ireland - I reckon Fozzie will be conservative and go with what he knows. I'd expect something like...

                                                                      Moody, Taylor, Tuúngafasi, Whitelock, Retallick, Blackadder, Cane, Savea
                                                                      Smith, Barrett, Reece, Havili, Ioane, Jordan, Barrett

                                                                      Bower, Taukeiáho, Laulala, Barrett, Papalií, Christie, Moúnga, Tupaea.

                                                                      Which would be 10.

                                                                      I'd say Bower is least likely to be there, but he's as likely as any other option. If Jordie is 2nd five Havili might miss out altogether.

                                                                      I don't really know what they're thinking at 6, but Blackadder was ahead of anyone except possibly Akira last year..

                                                                      Jack Goodhue is also floating about unmentioned.

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                                                                      • kiwi_expat
                                                                        kiwi_expat last edited by kiwi_expat

                                                                        4 (Whitelock, Moody, Jordan, Richie)

                                                                        Moody, ST, Ofa, Brodie, Sam, Ioane, Dalton, PGS, Smith, Barrett, Clarke, TUG, Ioane, Jordan, Barrett.

                                                                        Reserves: DeGroot, Coles, Lomax, Va'ai, Ardie, Fakatava, Mo'unga, ALB.

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                                                                        • FakatavaAllBlack
                                                                          FakatavaAllBlack @kiwi_expat last edited by

                                                                          @kiwi_expat yes would be great to see Fakatava get the call up! sure Finlay Christie goes great guns for the blues but with Christie not getting off the bench at all in the Ireland test & then last hr flying Aaron over for the France test makes me wonder why not show abit of faith in Finlay on tour

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                                                                          • Bones
                                                                            Bones @FakatavaAllBlack last edited by

                                                                            @fakatavafuture said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                            why not show abit of faith in Finlay on tour

                                                                            Well whatever they did, worked (for Christie). So can't really fault them for that.

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                                                                            • booboo
                                                                              booboo @mariner4life last edited by booboo

                                                                              @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                              Moody, whitelock, Reece and Jordan starting

                                                                              De Groot and mounga off the bench.

                                                                              6 of 23 sounds about right.

                                                                              Not nitpicking but who is your backup hooker, and other lock(s) ?

                                                                              I.E., I'm thinking Taylor at 16 (> Aumua, and Coles injured), and Barrett (or are you assuming the latter is suspended, a liability, or not as good as Lord/Vaa'i?)

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                                                                              • mariner4life
                                                                                mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                Coles

                                                                                Lord and Vaa'i

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                                                                                • booboo
                                                                                  booboo @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                  @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                                  Coles

                                                                                  Lord and Vaa'i

                                                                                  Given Coles is injured "right now" (@Duluth 's original criteria), and given I agree your opinion on Taylor's form, would you leave him out for Aumua?

                                                                                  And am interested in whether you're picking the young'uns over Retallick, or if he is in the Coles basket?

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                                                                                  • nzzp
                                                                                    nzzp @booboo last edited by

                                                                                    @booboo said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                                    @mariner4life said in How many Crusaders in your AB 23?:

                                                                                    Coles

                                                                                    Lord and Vaa'i

                                                                                    Given Coles is injured "right now" (@Duluth 's original criteria), and given I agree your opinion on Taylor's form, would you leave him out for Aumua?

                                                                                    And Whitelock on current form? Is he the lock her used to be? Genuine question, not sure how many minutes he's played this year, or how good he's been

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