All Blacks MOTM v Australia II
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3 votes
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Current standings
25 Taukeiaho
21 Savea
17 R Ioane
12 S Barrett
11 Whitelock
6 Smith
6 Retallick
4 A Ioane
4 Jordan
3 Reece
3 Bower
3 Clarke
3 Cane
3 de Groot
2 Tupaea
1 J Barrett -
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
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JB was a revelation at 12. Lomax played great. Strong captain's knock by Sam Whitelock
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JB was phenomenal, best performance of a 12 for years.
Dalton and Whitelock were my other picks. Akira was great as well.
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Went for Lomax, BBBR and Jordie.
Jordie being more involved went really well. Given the shape of the game I need more evidence to tell me he’s a good 12 but if that’s what happens when he’s there then I’m very happy for him to stay there for the RWC.
Edit: close vote between BBBR and Sam. Went for Brodie on a couple of moments. -
Taylor, Lomax, Papalii.
Couldn't bring myself to vote for Mo'unga. Was wondering how I could take points off him though ...
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@Kirwan Same 3 from me.
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de Groot had some real fire out there tonight.
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DeGroot, Lomax, and Jodie but I needed four votes for BBBR!
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Lol as it stands Jordie has 17 votes and RM 0 yet RM got MOM.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Lol as it stands Jordie has 17 votes and RM 0 yet RM got MOM.
You're shitting me?
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After regularly criticising Lomax I'm going to give him some love. His best game for the ABs. Jordie and TBD.
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J Barrett, Retallick, Mo’unga
Next best - Whitelock, Lomax, Ioane, Papalii
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Both locks and jordie.
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Jordie by a mile. Lomax and Retallick lead the charge. Sam Whitelock just misses.
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@Tim said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
At the game he was by far the stand out, exceptional.
Opposite end of the scale we should never see Taylor in black again, appalling
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Lol as it stands Jordie has 17 votes and RM 0 yet RM got MOM.
NZ doesn't do MotM, so obviously from the Ozzies. They really should've picked Taylor, best ozzie on the pitch, by a considerable margin
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@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Tim said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
At the game he was by far the stand out, exceptional.
Opposite end of the scale we should never see Taylor in black again, appalling
Really?
I mean seriously?
Seemed to me he had worked out he was Codie Taylor.
My MOTM. Will take some convincing he wasn't. Having said that am happy to rewatch with evidence to convince me otherwise .
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Jordie B, Whitelock, BBBR.
Honourable mentions to: Papali'i, Lomax, Reiko Ioane and Will Jordan.
Good stuff.
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@booboo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Tim said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
At the game he was by far the stand out, exceptional.
Opposite end of the scale we should never see Taylor in black again, appalling
Really?
I mean seriously?
Seemed to me he had worked out he was Codie Taylor.
My MOTM. Will take some convincing he wasn't. Having said that am happy to rewatch with evidence to convince me otherwise .
His line out throwing was shit, that's a key point. I don't care of he did other stuff well or ok, if he can't do that, he should be gone
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@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@booboo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Tim said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
At the game he was by far the stand out, exceptional.
Opposite end of the scale we should never see Taylor in black again, appalling
Really?
I mean seriously?
Seemed to me he had worked out he was Codie Taylor.
My MOTM. Will take some convincing he wasn't. Having said that am happy to rewatch with evidence to convince me otherwise .
His line out throwing was shit, that's a key point. I don't care of he did other stuff well or ok, if he can't do that, he should be gone
Yeah. OK. I'll try and look at his throws when I get a chance. FYI Sami missed a couple too ... let's drop him ...
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Jordie, Brodie, Ardie. Unlucky for Whitelock and Lomax.
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@booboo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Tim said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
At the game he was by far the stand out, exceptional.
Opposite end of the scale we should never see Taylor in black again, appalling
Really?
I mean seriously?
Seemed to me he had worked out he was Codie Taylor.
My MOTM. Will take some convincing he wasn't. Having said that am happy to rewatch with evidence to convince me otherwise .
You're shitting me?
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JB, DP, BBBR
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@Nepia said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@booboo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Tim said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Jordie Barrett gets the top vote.
At the game he was by far the stand out, exceptional.
Opposite end of the scale we should never see Taylor in black again, appalling
Really?
I mean seriously?
Seemed to me he had worked out he was Codie Taylor.
My MOTM. Will take some convincing he wasn't. Having said that am happy to rewatch with evidence to convince me otherwise .
You're shitting me?
Yeah I think with Codie it's just that he wasn't the awful player he's been the last couple of years and it was surprising to see him look like an adequate test player.
Ropey as throwing though.
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Jordie, Rieko, Brodie
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@Nepia some of us are prepared to see past our preconceptions.
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Jordie and our 2 pensioner locks!
DP, BB, TL all deserving mentions too.
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Tough 2nd and third pick. Went for Jordie (1st easily) and lomax and Jordan
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I try to look at this based on who had the biggest positive influence on the game.
Jordie an obvious one but I thought that it was partly due to the work inside him, particularly by Lomax and the locks that carried straight and hard and sucked in the Oz strongpoint of their looses. That meant that Jordie was able to run at Foley and some scrambling forwards and we could rinse and repeat.
That really sucked the energy out of Oz and we reaped the rewards with space or makeshift defence out wide.
Kind of how some of the NH teams play and made us look like Oz did last night. -
Lomax had a vastly improved game, but there's no way I can give a bloke who missed as many tackles as the rest of the team combined a point.
Dalton got through a mountain of defensive work. Akira played tight and stopped momentum, key moments like ripping the ball near our line.
Brodie looked back to his pre-Japan form.
Jordie's game was near faultless. Superb defence, big runs, great passing.
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@booboo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@Nepia some of us are prepared to see past our preconceptions.
What do you mean "some"? You're on an island of one.
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Taylor was certainly better than Christchurch and probably kept his spot on the end of year tour but lineout throwing still worrying - including one where he got free kicked for moving off of the mark ffs.
Went for Jordie, Retallick and Dalton.
That was the best performance by a 12 under Foster as head coach by a country mile.
Very hard to pick just 3 this week - so many put their hands up - De Groot, Lomax, Whitelock, Jordan etc
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@antipodean said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Lomax had a vastly improved game, but there's no way I can give a bloke who missed as many tackles as the rest of the team combined a point.
Are you saying the rest of the team only missed 1 tackle…?
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I am one of those that voted for Lomax, and was surprised to see he is listed as missing 5 tackles. However, my vote was on the strength of his scrummaging and, in particular, his ball-carrying. The latter played a large part in the ABs forward dominance. I was also happy to see Lomax acknowledge he needed to lower his body height when going into contact - something I was critical of him for not doing all season.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Lomax had a vastly improved game, but there's no way I can give a bloke who missed as many tackles as the rest of the team combined a point.
Are you saying the rest of the team only missed 1 tackle…?
Lomax missed 5, as did everyone else, for a total of ten for the game
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Seems I'm the only person that feels Smith is worthy of a top 3 spot, and other than Clarke, he was the only guy left to not get a vote.
Youse are crazy!
Edit - bloody hard to select 3 from that game so I went for the guys who were under pressure and stepped up - either pushed into new roles or hadn't put in great performances for a while. So that was Paps delivering like many hoped he could (tackled like an absolute beast all night), JB stepping up into a new role at 12, and A Smith responding to vehement online criticism from that keyboard warrior on the Fern
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@voodoo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Seems I'm the only person that feels Smith is worthy of a top 3 spot, and other than Clarke, he was the only guy left to not get a vote.
Youse are crazy!
he suffers from sustained excellence. His normal is massive for us - but he also isn't quite what he was.
How you'd vote for Taylor over Smith I do not know
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@nzzp said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks MOTM v Australia II:
Seems I'm the only person that feels Smith is worthy of a top 3 spot, and other than Clarke, he was the only guy left to not get a vote.
Youse are crazy!
he suffers from sustained excellence. His normal is massive for us - but he also isn't quite what he was.
How you'd vote for Taylor over Smith I do not know
Yeah, I get that - but I also thought his 1st half in particular was noticably commanding, and such a step up from his recent outings.
The other thing I always notice about Smith is how fast he exits the field after being subbed - he motors and looks fresh as a daisy like he hasn't just played 66mins of rugby!, Bloody show off
