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  • KirwanK Offline
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    @Crucial said in Chat GPT:

    @Kirwan said in Chat GPT:

    @Crucial said in Chat GPT:

    @Kirwan said in Chat GPT:

    @Crucial Like I said, you have to ignore the evidence on the other side to make that point stick.

    If you don't like the short hand of woke, substitute leftist activist employees. If you don't think they exist you have been lving under a rock.

    Show the proof to the effect they are directly having as it doesn't appear like they are doing a good job
    Look I totally get that any company/organisation will have values that influence their recruitment whether by design or accident and it is well researched that 'creative' industries tend to a liberal view. I get that will show through by design in AI depending on feed.

    Implying that there is a conspiracy of radical thinkers deliberately trying to influence mass views by stealth is a concept that requires more evidence than 'here's an example' because there are other examples that seem to show otherwise.

    I'm not doing your googling for you, there are plenty of examples. Look for ones that don't feed your own bias.

    Another good discussion goes down the tubes with a silly comment.
    Stop arguing for good debate then failing to engage sensibly and making accusations.

    This isn't a good debate, I'm not here to google links for you. There is a mountain of reporting on left wing bias in tech firms, fill your boots.

    For this topic, the evidence is in the results being censored.

    I'm pleased it's being so publically demonstrated, so there is a chance they can fix it. Ironically, this might have been censored on Twitter before Elon took over.

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    Billy Perrigo  /  Jan 17, 2023  /  Business

    Exclusive: The $2 Per Hour Workers Who Made ChatGPT Safer

    Exclusive: The $2 Per Hour Workers Who Made ChatGPT Safer

    A TIME investigation reveals the difficult conditions faced by the workers who made ChatGPT possible

    This goes into detail about the scope of the manual human element, and shows exactly where the current problem is - the tool used to filter toxic content. However they set that up will bias the system, so trigger on Trump not Biden for example - even though they both have similar classified document scandals (another chatGPT example).

    Also provides detail of the human cost of these sorts of teams, Facebook, etc have them too, where have to look at depraved stuff all day every day until they break.

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    @Kirwan thanks. Will read when I can.

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    nothing to see here, move along, move along..

    Feb 6, 2023  /  tech

    What’s the deal with Twitch's 'Seinfeld' parody AI and why was it banned?

    What’s the deal with Twitch's 'Seinfeld' parody AI and why was it banned?

    “Nothing, Forever” appeared to be banned from the platform Monday.

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    and maybe if we want a human-like AI we'll have to put up with some unexpected or unwanted results, this is nothing new:

    James Vincent  /  Mar 24, 2016  /  microsoft

    Twitter taught Microsoft’s AI chatbot to be a racist asshole in less than a day

    Twitter taught Microsoft’s AI chatbot to be a racist asshole in less than a day

    The Verge is about technology and how it makes us feel. Founded in 2011, we offer our audience everything from breaking news to reviews to award-winning features and investigations, on our site, in video, and in podcasts.

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    @Kirwan said in Chat GPT:

    @Crucial said in Chat GPT:

    @Kirwan said in Chat GPT:

    @Crucial said in Chat GPT:

    @Kirwan said in Chat GPT:

    More examples popping up now, can write poems pro veganism but not pro omnivore.

    Pro black, Latino, Asian poems but not pro white.

    Has been poisoned with politics.

    Interesting article and comments here.

    Uncategorized @us

    ChatGPT is not politically neutral

    ChatGPT is not politically neutral

    Since its launch last Wednesday, the AI language model ChatGPT has attracted more than a million users, scores of opinion pieces, and some very well-founded concerns. The chatbot may be among the most sophisticated of its kind, and was developed by OpenAI, the tech company — which was also behind...

    Strangely I read the titled piece and find that the examples used to display bias are factual. Sure there may be other opinions out there that either aren’t part of the learning experience of the AI but the AI also doesn’t answer as if those views don’t exist eg “majority of scientists….” type comments
    Any AI will only parrot and analyse the source information it has and give weight to a majority conclusion.

    This has a curated level with manual intervention. It’s interesting to read up on how this works.

    It’s unfortunate that they have decided to bake in bias, instead of the usual inadvertent bias.

    Can you link to some info on that? Not arguing that it isnt the case, just wondering what the curation and 'baked in' part is.

    I've listened to various podcasts from AI researchers, talking about how the training models work. If you google for the team that wrote this you'll get more detail too, it's super interesting.

    In short they feed in data to train the neuro engine (175 billion items from memory for this one), then a team help fine tune the connections it makes. This is a necessary part of it learning, unfortunately they have leaned too hard into political "protection" and people are poking holes in it.

    Microsoft gone burned the last time they released one of these, where the bot turned racist in a few hours, so it's understandable, they just need to dial back the woke silliness.

    For example, the latest example is they give it a scenerio where the only way to disarm a nuclear bomb is utter a racist slur, and no one will hear it, but it will save millions of lives.

    ChapGPT says it's never acceptable to utter the slur, even with when it will cost those lives. They have broken part of it's logic...

    Yeah that nuclear bomb thing is a bit concerning, in that it looks like in the future we will be using AI to do a lot of low level stuff but it obviously lacks, for want of a better phrase, common sense to make the right decision. Especially if they are wanting to make sure it as the "correct opinions" on certain topics.

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    @No-Quarter yep, it’s why it’s important to publicly discuss this silliness.

    Saw a Bing demo with this today, search is about to drastically improve.

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    How will they be able to monetise this as a search engine if it isn't using paid ads like Google?

    Also has anyone had a look at the Vivaldi browser?

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64576225

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    @paremata said in Chat GPT:

    How will they be able to monetise this as a search engine if it isn't using paid ads like Google?

    Also has anyone had a look at the Vivaldi browser?

    It will be part of Bing, so ads. Also will be integrated into MS365, so subscription model also.

    They are about to make stupid money. Google has 93% of search traffic. Even if Bing only improves to 20% it’s a huge amount of cash.

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    @Bones said in Chat GPT:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64576225

    Huge contrast to the MS demo which looked awesome. Google are clearly playing catch up so it doesn’t look like they are being left behind, ended being worse than showing nothing.

    Ever since they put the bean counters in charge, Google have been far less interesting.

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    @ 43:39 answers a question about fitting a luggage product into a car:

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    The rise of SkyNet continues. This is ridiculous - I put in a bunch of technical questions related to my expertise this morning and it was bloody impressive. This is going to remove so many of the frustrating pain points of doing work in a modern business.

    https://openai.com/product/gpt-4

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    @nzzp

    Do you have plus? I think 4 is only available on the paid plan so far

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    @Duluth said in Chat GPT:

    @nzzp

    Do you have plus? I think 4 is only available on the paid plan so far

    I don't - sorry was using 3.5. Will be interested to see how 4 goes when the public get some access.

    This shit is moving fast. It's going to be awesome, or disasterous.

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    @nzzp

    It's already very powerful. A couple of nights ago I got it to write some code that would've taken me ~3 hours to get correct. Instead it took 2mins to word the question precisely

    I think they days of huge development teams will be over very quickly. Productivity per developer will massively increase. Successful developers 'AI wranglers' will have more well rounded skills

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    @Duluth I'mw atching the live stream on replay at the moment. The coding element looks to a dirty non programmer like a miracle. It's crazy.

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    They described this as an 'amplifying tool' and that soudns pretty well spot on to me.

    The applications are going to be incredible. It'll be like the web - starts with basic implementation (where we are now), and finishes with streaming hi res video, storing everything in the cloud. I think this will be an incredible revolution

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    @Duluth said in Chat GPT:

    @nzzp

    It's already very powerful. A couple of nights ago I got it to write some code that would've taken me ~3 hours to get correct. Instead it took 2mins to word the question precisely

    I think they days of huge development teams will be over very quickly. Productivity per developer will massively increase. Successful developers 'AI wranglers' will have more well rounded skills

    I got it to document my code by mistake the other day. So many applications.

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