How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?
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Question in another thread of 'has any team won without a class 10?'
Some debatable but all Test reps with good records.No sighting of any 'OK' tens like Holwell, Ioane, Gatland, etc
1996/ 1997/03 Blues - Spencer
1998/99/00/02 Crusaders - Merhtens
2001/04 Brumbies - Larkham
2005/06/08 Crusaders - Carter
2007 Bulls - Hougaard
2009/10 Bulls - Steyn
2011 Queensland Reds - Cooper
2012 Chiefs - Cruden
2013 Chiefs - Cruden/Anscombe
2014 NSW Waratahs - Foley
2015 Highlanders - Sopoaga
2016 Hurricanes - Barrett
2017/18/19/20/21/22 Crusaders - Mo'unga -
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@KiwiMurph said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
@Crucial I'm not sure Anscombe ever started a game for the Chiefs at 10.
Fair call. He was the top points scorer in 2013 so I added him in that regard. You are correct though. It was at fullback. Have amended.
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The short answer is no. You can't win a title without an international quality ten, atleast that's what history suggests.
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@Canes4life said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
The short answer is no. You can't win a title without an international quality ten, atleast that's what history suggests.
I look back at Hurricanes teams of the past, and David Holwell comes to mind as a guy who could have guided us to a title if he'd been 10 instead of Jimmy Gopperth, when we had one of our best teams. It had quality all over the park, our tight 5 was not the best in the comp but could hold their own
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@canefan said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
@Canes4life said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
The short answer is no. You can't win a title without an international quality ten, atleast that's what history suggests.
I look back at Hurricanes teams of the past, and David Holwell comes to mind as a guy who could have guided us to a title if he'd been 10 instead of Jimmy Gopperth, when we had one of our best teams. It had quality all over the park, our tight 5 was not the best in the comp but could hold their own
Not so sure. IIRC at a time when teams were thriving with 10s that were runners, Holwell was a deep pocket type.
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@Mr-Fish said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
I'd say you could make a list of similar quality if you looked at Super Rugby winning hookers, or tight head props, or openside flankers.
I’d say YOU could if you wanted to properly make that point.
There could be very good players in all those positions and you’d not win if you have an average 10
See the Hurricanes as discussed above -
https://www.superrugby.co.nz/news/remembering-the-crusaders-class-of-1998/
Not many test match greats in this team.
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@Chris-B said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
https://www.superrugby.co.nz/news/remembering-the-crusaders-class-of-1998/
Not many test match greats in this team.
A fair few test players in there though
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@canefan 8 I think - and mostly fringe guys - with Reubs, Razor and Gibson (and Toddy, I think) playing positions different to their best.
I think Crucial is largely right - Mehrts is the only one close to great, especially when you take into account the positional switches.
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@Chris-B said in How critical is the 10 Jersey to winning Super?:
@canefan 8 I think - and mostly fringe guys - with Reubs, Razor and Gibson (and Toddy, I think) playing positions different to their best.
I think Crucial is largely right - Mehrts is the only one close to great, especially when you take into account the positional switches.
Their 16th man in the match, Paddy O'Brien, had a pretty good test career.
