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@george33 That side is who I would pick. Others are entitled to their opinions.
Reiko Ioane may be a darling of the NZ Rugby Media establishment, but he has created nothing all year at Centre for the Blues. He's an emperor without clothes.
He was a decent Test wing, but has never really developed in the midfield. Billy Proctor would offer a lot more in creativity and I think it's bizarre to shut out forever a talented player forever based on one game which the All Blacks comfortable won 47-5.
Picking Reiko Ioane until the retires regardless of form is a classic example of the lazy groupthink that has infected the NZ Rugby establishment in the last decade.
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Even the All Black socials know what’s up. Doctor Proctor has to be the AB 13 this year.
He did more in his first start on Saturday than Reiko’s done all year.
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@Canes4life did Razor, put that up?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Even the All Black socials know what’s up. Doctor Proctor has to be the AB 13 this year.
He did more in his first start on Saturday than Reiko’s done all year.
It’s fair to say you might be slightly biased when discussing Canes players…..
It’s pretty tough seeing Razor dropping Ioane ( or anyone really ) but he is at that age where speedsters in the ABs get jettisoned ( Cullen, Jonah, Rokokoko all gone before 28 which Ioane is now )
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky unless Reiko, gets injured which doesn't happen that much, he will be 13, Proctor 1 game against Fiji, missed 3 tackles, and was dropped, Test Rugby
Maybe that's an issue. Have a poor debut and no matter how talented get a black mark in the coaching staff's book. Coach then makes comfortable selections. Which us fine - until the comfortable choices get injured or form dissappears.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky unless Reiko, gets injured which doesn't happen that much, he will be 13, Proctor 1 game against Fiji, missed 3 tackles, and was dropped, Test Rugby
Maybe that's an issue. Have a poor debut and no matter how talented get a black mark in the coaching staff's book. Coach then makes comfortable selections. Which us fine - until the comfortable choices get injured or form dissappears.
It's simply bollocks. If missed tackles are that big of an issue, then the cantab props and EB are in a world of trouble.
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@Bones Julian Savea wasn't it?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Even the All Black socials know what’s up. Doctor Proctor has to be the AB 13 this year.
He did more in his first start on Saturday than Reiko’s done all year.
It’s fair to say you might be slightly biased when discussing Canes players…..
It’s pretty tough seeing Razor dropping Ioane ( or anyone really ) but he is at that age where speedsters in the ABs get jettisoned ( Cullen, Jonah, Rokokoko all gone before 28 which Ioane is now )
He's also at the age where centres start to hit their prime for the ABs too. Smoking Joe, Bunce, Tana, peak Conrad.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones Julian Savea wasn't it?
Possibly, but Proctor got a 5 year contract really young, and even the Canes fluffer fans will admit (well maybe) that he took time to develop into a player worthy of AB consideration.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones Julian Savea wasn't it?
Possibly, but Proctor got a 5 year contract really young, and even the Canes fluffer fans will admit (well maybe) that he took time to develop into a player worthy of AB consideration.
Yeah some Canes supporters on here were pretty harsh on him too.
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In all seriousness though I’m just hoping Proctor at least gets more of a chance to show what he has at international level because he was the best centre in Super Rugby last year and in his first start in 2025 he arguably has already had the best game by a centre this season when you factor in the opposition and where they played.
Ioane and Leinert-Brown have had plenty of time to nail down the 13 AB jersey and haven’t. No point in the ABs doing the same shit because we’ll just get the same results. No better opportunity to give Proctor an opportunity outside Jordie against an understrength French side in July as well.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French. I’ve also included AJ Lam because for me he’s been pretty damn classy for the Blues and can cover wing if required.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones Julian Savea wasn't it?
Possibly, but Proctor got a 5 year contract really young, and even the Canes fluffer fans will admit (well maybe) that he took time to develop into a player worthy of AB consideration.
No he only needs one game a season to usurp the incumbent apparently
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones Julian Savea wasn't it?
Possibly, but Proctor got a 5 year contract really young, and even the Canes fluffer fans will admit (well maybe) that he took time to develop into a player worthy of AB consideration.
No he only needs one game a season to usurp the incumbent apparently
An incumbent that hasn’t played well for at least two seasons now.
What have the ABs become? The centre of mediocrity?
I’m not saying drop Ioane, just move him back to the position where he flourished.
