All Blacks vs Wales Test #2

Stargazer

Hansen on the selection of Dagg in the starting line-up, Barrett on the bench and the non-selection of Julian Savea:
 
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kiwiinmelb

I don't think it's a question of who is the best fullback ? 
It's what is the best back 3 ?

MN5

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I don't think it's a question of who is the best fullback ? 
It's what is the best back 3 ?
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I remember when they tried the Savea/Gear/Barrett combo. That didn't work out amazingly well despite a sound hammering of Italy.
 
In the WC combo of Kahui/Jane/Dagg would Kahui be considered the power wing or was he a bit of a hybrid ?

ACT Crusader

Bender's kick chase game from the right wing is the best in the world IMO. Dagg can be better used with his garry owens from the back. The promising thing for Dagg though is that he's running more freely and not stopping before he goes into contact.

kiwiinmelb

I think that's the thing , if dagg has his attacking mojo back , this combination could be a lot better than people think .

Gunner

I'm clearly in the minority here about the idea of the Smith 15, Dagg 14 combo, instead of the Dagg 15, Smith 14 combo.
 
Therefore I concede defeat :truce:
 
But don't get me wrong, I'm still happy with Dagg 15, Smith 14.

MajorRage

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I remember when they tried the Savea/Gear/Barrett combo. That didn't work out amazingly well despite a sound hammering of Italy.
 
In the WC combo of Kahui/Jane/Dagg would Kahui be considered the power wing or was he a bit of a hybrid ?
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Kahui was considered safe. We won that world cup in 2011 playing safe rugby. It was that safety which almost cost us the final.
 
Don't get me wrong, Kahui is a bloody good player and has a certain amount of x-factor in the centres, less so on the wing. But he catches his kicks, he makes his tackles (hard) and gets over the gainline. You aren't going to see individual briliance on the wing from him like you can Savea, Naholo, NMS, B.Smith.
 
IN RWC 2015, where we played more open, I don't think he would have made the 23.

Bovidae

Dagg did have a good cameo performance on the left wing vs SA in his debut season (2010) when he scored that great individual try.
 
But this is the most logical option to accommodate both. The challenge for Dagg will be to provide the same spark on the counter-attack that we expect (and receive) from Smith.
 
One major advantage will be that the ABs have another kicking option at the back. The flipside of this back three combo is that you know Naholo will be the main target from any aerial assault from Wales.

MN5

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Kahui was considered safe. We won that world cup in 2011 playing safe rugby. It was that safety which almost cost us the final.
 
Don't get me wrong, Kahui is a bloody good player and has a certain amount of x-factor in the centres, less so on the wing. But he catches his kicks, he makes his tackles (hard) and gets over the gainline. You aren't going to see individual briliance on the wing from him like you can Savea, Naholo, NMS, B.Smith.
 
IN RWC 2015, where we played more open, I don't think he would have made the 23.
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I think he would now though with his three main rivals gone.

Siam

Mostly Dagg is there because we have a slight winger crisis I reckon.
 
A fit NMS and Savea in better "space" and it wouldn't be an issue
 
That said we don't lose much thanks to the genuine quality of Ben Smith.
 
Trying to repress it but I'm the tiniest bit gun-shy on Izzy. Have too many memories of him in his bad form days characterised by being a hungus, running his wingers out of space and the river dance that hasn't fooled anyone since that Yarpie test eons ago
 
Shag rates him though, so there's that

MajorRage

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Mostly Dagg is there because we have a slight winger crisis I reckon.
 
A fit NMS and Savea in better "space" and it wouldn't be an issue
 
That said we don't lose much thanks to the genuine quality of Ben Smith.
 
Trying to repress it but I'm the tiniest bit gun-shy on Izzy. Have too many memories of him in his bad form days characterised by being a hungus, running his wingers out of space and the river dance that hasn't fooled anyone since that Yarpie test eons ago
 
Shag rates him though, so there's that
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Catches high balls. See the Taffs game plan last week?

Samurai Jack

Agree MajorRage. Dagg and Smith at the back nullifies the Welsh kicking game.

Siam

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Catches high balls. See the Taffs game plan last week?
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Agree MajorRage. Dagg and Smith at the back nullifies the Welsh kicking game. 
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Good points
 
Hoping Izzy can ignite something from the back too, then all is well with the world

Billy Tell

Hope Daggs brings more of this:

booboo

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Maybe it is personal issues... or maybe they opened up a Carls Jr in his neighbourhood and it is equidistant with his KFC from his house . Such choice can be both distracting and overwhelming. 
My credibility is severely affected on here - only last week I boldly said Ben Smith would not start on the wing because he's the vice-captain and is too valuable to the team to be stranded on the wing. 
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Credibility? You post on the Fern ...

booboo

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Kahui was considered safe. We won that world cup in 2011 playing safe rugby. It was that safety which almost cost us the final. </blockquote>
 
2011 was a long lomg time ago ... but ... one thing that nearly cost us the final was ignoring a 3 on 1 overlap hungusnicity ... looking at you Izzy ...

MN5

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2011 was a long lomg time ago ... but ... one thing that nearly cost us the final was ignoring a 3 on 1 overlap hungusnicity ... looking at you Izzy ...
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Bones constantly tells me I live in the past, it hurts coming from you too.

MiketheSnow

Welsh team named
 
Wales XV
Rhys Patchell; Liam Williams, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Hallam Amos; Dan Biggar, Rhys Webb
Gethin Jenkins, Ken Owens, Samson Lee; Luke Charteris, Alun Wyn Jones; Ross Moriarty, Sam Warburton, Taulupe Faletau
 
Reps:
Scott Baldwin, Rob Evans, Tomas Francis, Bradley Davies, Ellis Jenkins
Gareth Davies, Rhys Priestland, Scott Williams
 
 
Rhys Patchell the surprise call up.
 
Appears Anscombe was the preferred option at 15 when Liam Williams moved across to wing to cover the injured George North, but Anscombe is still struggling with a thigh injury.
 
So pissed off.
 
Patchell has been average at best for Cardiff Blues. Matthew Morgan was the only back to come away with any dignity against the Chiefs and is one of the few Welsh backs that attacks space at pace and creates space for others. He's worked on his defence too and is no more a liability than Liam Williams or Hallam Amos.
 
It's obvious Gatland doesn't trust him / rate him at Test level. The poor bastard has signed for Cardiff Blues (to replace Patchell who's off to the Scarlets) to be a Wales based player and increase his chances of Welsh selection. He's come from Bristol who just returned to the English premiership. Might regret that move.
 
Rhys Priestland should be nowhere near the 23 because he's offering us nothing.
Scott Williams shouldn't be there either. Not because he's as crap as Priestland but because he's still not found fitness or form.
 
I would have started with Jenkins and Warburton too. Warburton playing 6 and Jenkins playing 7 as they've done on a number of occasions for Cardiff Blues this season.
 
That would leave Moriarty to come on as an impact player.
 
Gatland obviously feels that his gameplan is sound and if we can cut down on turnovers and missed tackles then we can be competitive for 80 minutes this Saturday.
 
I feel the Welsh pool is stagnant and wouldn't be surprised to see Wales concede 50 or more points this week :(

Rembrandt

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Hope Daggs brings more of this:

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Not one silly stupid jinky air-step in that whole clip. When did he decide to add that to his arsenal of moves? Has he worked out how ineffectual it is yet?

pooler fan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MiketheSnow" data-cid="588748" data-time="1466068653">Welsh team named Wales XV 
Rhys Patchell; Liam Williams, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Hallam Amos; Dan Biggar, Rhys Webb 
Gethin Jenkins, Ken Owens, Samson Lee; Luke Charteris, Alun Wyn Jones; Ross Moriarty, Sam Warburton, Taulupe Faletau Reps: 
Scott Baldwin, Rob Evans, Tomas Francis, Bradley Davies, Ellis Jenkins 
Gareth Davies, Rhys Priestland, Scott Williams 
Rhys Patchell the surprise call up. 
Appears Anscombe was the preferred option at 15 when Liam Williams moved across to wing to cover the injured George North, but Anscombe is still struggling with a thigh injury. 
So pissed off. 
Patchell has been average at best for Cardiff Blues. Matthew Morgan was the only back to come away with any dignity against the Chiefs and is one of the few Welsh backs that attacks space at pace and creates space for others. He's worked on his defence too and is no more a liability than Liam Williams or Hallam Amos. 
It's obvious Gatland doesn't trust him / rate him at Test level. The poor bastard has signed for Cardiff Blues (to replace Patchell who's off to the Scarlets) to be a Wales based player and increase his chances of Welsh selection. He's come from Bristol who just returned to the English premiership. Might regret that move. 
Rhys Priestland should be nowhere near the 23 because he's offering us nothing. 
Scott Williams shouldn't be there either. Not because he's as crap as Priestland but because he's still not found fitness or form. 
I would have started with Jenkins and Warburton too. Warburton playing 6 and Jenkins playing 7 as they've done on a number of occasions for Cardiff Blues this season. 
That would leave Moriarty to come on as an impact player. 
Gatland obviously feels that his gameplan is sound and if we can cut down on turnovers and missed tackles then we can be competitive for 80 minutes this Saturday. 
I feel the Welsh pool is stagnant and wouldn't be surprised to see Wales concede 50 or more points this week :(</blockquote>
Valid point Mike, especially on Priestland. I can see the value in Patchell at 15 for Gatland though, he is a very good player. Perhaps more importantly fits "Gatlandball" style - big, powerful, quick, huge boot. Think he could become a very good test player for Wales. 
If you have him on the pitch at 15 though with Biggar at 10 having Priestland on the bench is pretty pointless as an option. Morgan would have least given some offensive potential. 
Moving Liam Williams to the wing after his performance last week seems strange too, he caused some problems with his running from deep. 
Safety first as usual with Wales team selection.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wales Test #2