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<p>Hell no, its an isolated incident nothing to do with islam and the insanity of bring between 1.2 and 1.4 million ferals from a culture incompatible with your own into the country.</p>
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<p>You can picture Merkel on the news saying her thoughts are with the families of the victims but ladies in germany while I have your attention remember to avoid being groped [which was such an insignificant problem before it wasn't actually illegal] dress modestly and keep men you don't know at arms length to avoid being involved in an isolated incident yourself.</p> -
I agree with the obvious linkage jegga but this <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>1.2 and 1.4 million ferals from a culture incompatible with your own into the country.</p></blockquote> is just poor. At best lazy smartarse Ness at worst racist bigotry <br><br>
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<p>I agree with the obvious linkage jegga but this is just poor. At best lazy smartarse Ness at worst racist bigotry<br><br>
Not defending Germany's policy on migrant refugees but all of them are ferals. Really?</p>
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<p>Fair call, I won't do it again.</p>
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<p>I'm sure some of them are decent people, I'm equally sure for a decent percentage of them their world view is completely incompatible with living in a western country </p>
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<p>Hmmm ... speculation it might not be ... potential link to Anders Brevik (maybe)</p>
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<p>I agree with the obvious linkage jegga but this is just poor. At best lazy smartarse Ness at worst racist bigotry<br><br>
Not defending Germany's policy on migrant refugees but all of them are ferals. Really?</p>
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<p>Ok... fair enough. Yet the religion that nearly all of these immigrants follows describes infidels as what? Far worse than feral. Therefore is it safe to say that Islam is '<span style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">At best lazy smartarse Ness at worst racist bigotry'?</span></p> -
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<p>But it's not Islam</p>
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<p>It might actually not be. We dont even know who did it yet do we?</p>
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Apparently an 18 yo Iranian.<br><br>
Single shooter.<br><br>
Killed himself.</p></blockquote>
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<p>There are none so blind as those who think a mass clash of incompatible cultures will end in anything good.</p>
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<p>Speaking of <em>clashes of civilisations</em>, you can read Samuel Huntington's original essay here:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://docdro.id/YL2vifA'>http://docdro.id/YL2vifA</a></p> -
<p>Reminds me I should re-read Samuel Huntington's <em>The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order</em> if I can find it in the bookcases.</p>
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<p>Jeez - big read. I've got to go out so found the wiki summary:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations</a></p>
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<p>A couple of interesting bits in that summary:</p>
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<p><em><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;">Huntington argues that a "Sino-Islamic connection" is emerging in which China will cooperate more closely with </span><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran' title="Iran">Iran</a><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;">, Pakistan, and other states to augment its international position.</span></em></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;">and</span></p>
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<p><em>3. Due to economic modernization and social change, people are separated from longstanding local identities. Instead, religion has replaced this gap, which provides a basis for identity and commitment that transcends national boundaries and unites civilizations.</em></p>
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<p>That last one is really interesting in that the concept of nationalism is fairly recent in human history, and so is basically being displaced by tribalism based along religious lines.</p>
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<p>The former statement shows that despite being "Islamic" the power brokers of countries like Iran and Pakistan are still well inside the political sphere with a country that really does't give two shits about religion, but still has an ideology with some heavy shit going down.</p> -
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<p>Ok... fair enough. Yet the religion that nearly all of these immigrants follows describes infidels as what? Far worse than feral. Therefore is it safe to say that Islam is 'At best lazy smartarse Ness at worst racist bigotry'?</p>
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<p>yet again you look to generalise and judge all muslims on the basis of what is written in the koran, despite it being obvious that not all muslims subscribe to that specific belief.</p>
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<p>since what you're going to say next is 'i didn't say muslims i said islam', let's deal with that in advance. you said nearly all immigrants followed islam, then you named a specific belief - so the implication is clear - nearly all immigrants think "we" are infidels and deserve to die. it's just bullshit. </p>
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<p> if you want to say the koran is racist and bigoted, go right ahead - it is.</p>
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<p>it's like taking something the absolute looniest christians do that they've taken from the bible, and pretending that all people who identify as christians do that thing. i.e. simply not true. </p> -
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<p>yet again you look to generalise and judge all muslims on the basis of what is written in the koran, despite it being obvious that not all muslims subscribe to that specific belief.</p>
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<p>? Don't Muslims by definition subscribe to the specific belief of Islam?</p>
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<p>yep just like all christians believe that god created the world in a few days and dinosaurs never existed.</p>
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<p>That's not the same thing. For one I'd like to introduce the concept of subsets. It's entirely possible to be Christian and believe the Creation myth is in fact, a myth. But you can't be a Muslim and not believe in Islam.</p>
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<p>And secondly: Christians who choose to profess belief in the Old Testament over the New Testament are missing the picture; the Old Testament is a Hebrew text and Christianity is about hippy loving Jesus ala the New Testament. That's the big point of difference.</p>
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<p>Muslims adhere to the faith of Islam which has as its central tenet the Quran (an astonishing work of plagiarism from an astonishing work of plagiarism).</p> -
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That's not the same thing. For one I'd like to introduce the concept of subsets. It's entirely possible to be Christian and believe the Creation myth is in fact, a myth. But you can't be a Muslim and not believe in Islam.<br><br>
And secondly: Christians who choose to profess belief in the Old Testament over the New Testament are missing the picture; the Old Testament is a Hebrew text and Christianity is about hippy loving Jesus ala the New Testament. That's the big point of difference.<br><br>
Muslims adhere to the faith of Islam which has as its central tenet the Quran (an astonishing work of plagiarism from an astonishing work of plagiarism).</p></blockquote>If you read reprobate's post the comment regards the idea that the Koran says death to infidels therefore all Muslims must believe it