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@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
The key point is Hillary's explanation of pneumonia and downplaying of her condition is being met with more skepticism than it would for other candidates.
Yeah.... nah. It is being met with scepticism because she just told lie after lie after lie about it... so now any explanation seems rather untrustworthy. Why would anyone believe her latest explanation? I cannot think of a single reason.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@rotated
That is just an exercise in wishful thinking. People have have had months of being shouted down and harassed for saying they support Trump, the media hates them for it, celebs hate them for it, being a Trump supporter makes you a target . So people just shut up, they don't admit to supporting Trump, even when asked by polling companies.Then when they get in the booth... they raise the middle finger to all the loud mouths... and tick Trump.
EXACTLY what happens in the UK elections.
You are betting ALOT on republicans hating Trump more than the democrats and Clintons. I think you are wrong, and frankly cannot see any real basis for yuor optimism. With your theory all the Sanders supporters will vote Trump... unlikely.
Not sure what theory you are talking about re: the Sanders supporters going the way of Trump? I didn't think Bernie could effectively hand them to Hillary with his speech, but certainly I don't see many going to Trump - many of the loudest Bernie bros will stay home IMO.
I don't disagree that being a Trump supporter is publicly toxic and there might a slight underreporting for Trump supporters. This same theory was floated in 2008 though remember - there was a bunch of racist whites who didn't want a black/muslim president and were going to turn up on election day. Didn't quite happen that way. I just look at the primary results - especially once Trump was the clear front runner and see the party did not coalesce around him. The result in Ohio was particularly damning for me where basically the republican members lit their ballots on fire supporting a dead Kasich instead of continuing the momentum of Trump.
The proof will be on election day. I just have a tough time seeing how Trump returns all the Romney voters and then some (or alternatively he returns all the Romney voters and Hillary runs enough of Obama's off). We will see but they underreported cavalry didn't come in 2008 or 2012 - let's see about this time.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
The key point is Hillary's explanation of pneumonia and downplaying of her condition is being met with more skepticism than it would for other candidates.
Yeah.... nah. It is being met with scepticism because she just told lie after lie after lie about it... so now any explanation seems rather untrustworthy. Why would anyone believe her latest explanation? I cannot think of a single reason.
Are we not in total agreement?
@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
Hillary has made her bed (or dug her grave?) on this one a bit.
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Unfortunately over many years Clinton has been so disingenuous and so deceitful in the eyes of many in the public that it is more a reaction of "she is sicker than she is letting on, she is putting on a false front again".
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@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Election Thread 2016:
@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
The key point is Hillary's explanation of pneumonia and downplaying of her condition is being met with more skepticism than it would for other candidates.
Yeah.... nah. It is being met with scepticism because she just told lie after lie after lie about it... so now any explanation seems rather untrustworthy. Why would anyone believe her latest explanation? I cannot think of a single reason.
Are we not in total agreement?
@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
Hillary has made her bed (or dug her grave?) on this one a bit.
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Unfortunately over many years Clinton has been so disingenuous and so deceitful in the eyes of many in the public that it is more a reaction of "she is sicker than she is letting on, she is putting on a false front again".
Why do you want to spoil a perfectly good argument?
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Christ - this election is a damning indictment of democracy.
Right now - the key variable people are being asked to assess is whether Hilary is healthy enough to be President.
The politically savvy are presumably frantically googling the symptoms.
In my experience, the most likely conclusion they'll find is that she has leprosy. I don't see that as too great an impediment as long as her hand doesn't fall off when she shakes Putin's!
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@rotated said in US Election Thread 2016:
Nah I think it swings the other way. You have self identifying republicans who have spent the past 20 years rallying against the Clintons, who despise Obama but who are somewhere between ambivalent or dead against Trump. They are resigned to not voting for him but would rather turn against the republican party for a day in the privacy of a cubicle (or their couch if they just don't turn up) rather than a whole election cycle.
Cruz's rise in the fractured party would have had much the same effect at the polls.
I suspect we will see a serious softening in both the turn out and lopsided support for the GOP in the college educated whites and evangelical whites relative to the past 16 years.
Yep, its incredibily hard for lifelong republicans to vote democrat, especially for a Clinton, but they will. Especially the more this happens -
*The Dallas Morning News has not endorsed a Democrat for president since before World War II. Nearly 20 elections have come and gone since then and the paper has stuck with the Republican nominee in every one of them, its editorial board notes, saying the party more closely shares its values of free markets and strong national defense.
This election, it is going in another direction. The Texas paper has endorsed Hillary Clinton.
Donald âTrump's values are hostile to conservatism,â the editorial board wrote. âHe plays on fear â exploiting base instincts of xenophobia, racism and misogyny â to bring out the worst in all of us, rather than the best. His serial shifts on fundamental issues reveal an astounding absence of preparedness. And his improvisational insults and midnight tweets exhibit a dangerous lack of judgment and impulse control.â*
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@gollum
Thanks for that news from last week.
You think republicans are going to be influenced by that?? Good luck. Republicans vote for Hilary because MSM tells them they don't like Trump.... nah
One might almost think a struggling newspaper did it for the publicity? You ever heard of the Dallas Morning News before? They got few days of being on every major news site.... good deal. Smart business. -
Funny song below. (lyrics actually about a Swedish King) because some of my very leftist friends still see Trump in this light (the 2nd coming of Hitler)
And here is an interesting article by Scott Adams.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out -
Long Bloomberg interview with the "face" of Atl-right & Breitbart news. He's a deeply inpleasant person, but he makes some very valid points, especially in this election cycle & the way its being run -
*âWe live in a post-fact era. Itâs wonderful,â he says, pointing to various web pages on his giant computer screen that show photos of, supposedly, Bill Clintonâs grown black son. âThe Washington Post gives a truth check, and no one cares. Now you have to use the truth and other strategies. You have to be persuasive. Dumpy lesbian feminists and shrieking harpies in the Black Lives Matter movement are not persuasive,â he says, digging into the egg, turkey, and avocado scramble prepared by his full-time trainer.
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Tonight, Hillary Clinton is in Reno, Nev., delivering a speech on the alt-right. Yiannopoulos loads it up on YouTube, where the alt-right has taken over the comments section, a furious scroll of swastikas, âniggerâs, and âbuild the wallâs. The speech has been postponed by three hours, and Yiannopoulos is convinced itâs because Clinton is gravely ill. âIs that a catheter in her shirt?â he says as soon as she enters the frame. âListen to her voice! Sheâs sick!â he yells about her hoarseness.Halfway through her speech about the conspiracy-pandering and racism of Trump and the alt-right, Clinton reads four Breitbart headlines. Two of them are from Yiannopoulos articles.
âBirth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazyâ
âWould You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?â
He stands up, claps, and spins around. Yiannopoulos has hit the troll jackpot: He wrote outrageous headlines trying to provoke liberals, and the worldâs top liberal read them with head-shaking seriousness, falling for the prank. He directs Bokhari, sitting 5 feet away, to quickly write an article for Breitbart about this. They give it the headline âMilo to Hillary: You Did This.â As crazy as that sounds, once you understand troll logic, itâs pretty much true.*
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some of these review comments are HILARious
https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Hillary-Rodham-Clinton/dp/1501161733/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474082606&sr=8-1&keywords=stronger+together+hillary+clintonThe chapter where Hillbilly talks about her battle with Parkinson's Disease was difficult to read. Difficult because it was missing from the book.
Spoiler alert--the title refers to her technique of getting into vans.
I was going to read this book.....I really was. But just as I got started, I found myself under sniper fire, passed out, and fell and hit my head. After that I got double vision and had to wear glasses that were so damn thick I couldn't even see to read. Then I had an allergic reaction to something and started coughing so hard I spit out what looked like a couple of lizard's eyeballs, my limbs locked up, and I passed out and fell down again, waking up only to find out I had been diagnosed with pneumonia 2 days earlier. Somehow I managed to power through it all, but it's a good thing I was able to make a small fortune on this random small trade in the commodities market (cattle futures or some such thing) and then, miracle of all miracles, a few banks offered me a few million to just talk to their employees for a few minutes - and all that really helped out because I swear I was dead broke and couldn't figure out how I was gonna come up with the 6 bucks to pay for this book, let alone pay the $1,500 for my health insurance this month. I still want to read it, but, honestly, what difference at this point does it make? I hear it sucks anyway.
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Hmmm. I wonder what the deleted post was about....
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Yes, I'm intrigued too.
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