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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
@Crucial said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Crucial said in Aussie Politics:
Was that section 44 in the constitution from 1920?
Because there was no Australian citizenship until 1949 and everyone was a 'British Subject' holding rights to citizenship in Britain. Some PMs were even born there.
Was a point that a lawyer was making this week: countries like Canada and NZ should be with a challenge due to shared Commonwealth and HoS
The way that Section 44 is worded you could argue that no Australian citizen is eligible because they are all "entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power" eg Australians in NZ are entitled to Student Loans. That cannot even be argued to be a mutually agreed privilege. We just hand it out with nothing in return.
Which used ot be the case in Australia for NZ citizens prior to the late 90s when they changed and NZ citizens were then treated like International students.
Yep. But read Section 44 and tell me that no one in the current Oz Govt does not hold privileges of a citizen of a foreign power.
All O am trying to get across is that it isn't as cut and dried as some posters are saying. Even the Oz electoral guidelines suggest a legal opinion for anyone with doubt.
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But it is cut and dry. The application that Waters, Ludlum and every other Senator and MP specifically asks the question.
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http://www.theshovel.com.au/2017/07/19/greens-senators-to-come-with-country-of-origin-labelling/
"The Greens – who have been strong supporters of country of origin labelling for years – will finally get their wish, with mandatory Country of Origin information identified in large print on all current and future senators."
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
Which used ot be the case in Australia for NZ citizens prior to the late 90s when they changed and NZ citizens were then treated like International students.
NZers still received subsidised places and access to HECS in some situations after the Howard reforms.
NZers will receive no special treatment in the Australian university system as of Jan 1 next year. They will pay full freight, with current students grandfathered in.
Some work needs to be done to give NZers a clearer and more easy pathway to citizenship. I know at least a couple of people who have had an absolutely bewildering time trying to navigate through everything even though they have been contributing to the country for 10+ years.
It's a lottery too. I know two guys pretty similar situations (both in Aus 10+ years, uni degree, six figure earners, kids born in Australia, mid 30s etc), one it took a couple of years just to secure PR and now is slogging it out to get citizenship and the bill so far is over $5k. The other one got it in a fortnight for $300 the only difference being his family happened to take a one-week holiday to the Gold Coast when he was six months old - creating a loophole.
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Well, its just getting ridiculous now:
Resources Minister Matt Canavan has quit Cabinet after his mother told him he was an Italian citizen last week.
The conservative Queensland senator was the minister for resources and northern Australia and is considered a rising star of the National Party.
Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce will take over Senator Canavan's Cabinet responsibilities while his eligibility is determined by the High Court.
It comes just weeks after two Greens senators, Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam, resigned from Federal Parliament due to their own dual citizenship.
When Mr Ludlam resigned, claiming he had no idea he was a New Zealand citizen, the Prime Minister described it as a "remarkable oversight".
The constitution disqualifies potential candidates from election if they hold dual or plural citizenship.
Senator Canavan, who was elected in 2013, told reporters in Brisbane that he was not born in Italy and had never visited the country.
His mother, who has never visited Italy either and was born in Australia, registered herself and her son for overseas citizenship at the Italian consulate in Brisbane in 2006.
"According to the Italian Government, I am a citizen of Italy," Senator Canavan said.
Senator Canavan, a former chief of staff to Mr Joyce, said he did not sign the Italian citizenship papers himself.
"I had no knowledge that I had become an Italian citizen, nor had I requested to become an Italian citizen," he said.
"Following the resignation of [former] senators Ludlam and Waters last week, my mother raised with me the possibility that I was, in fact, an Italian citizen on Tuesday evening."
Who is Matt Canavan?
A young, conservative minister seen as a rising star of the National party and a close ally of Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce.
The 36-year-old Queensland senator was elected in 2013 and promoted to cabinet after the 2016 election.
He's been a tireless advocate for the proposed Adani coal mine.
He's a former executive at KPMG, an economist at the Productive Commission and a chief of staff to Mr Joyce.
Earlier this year he criticised Westpac bank's decision to refuse finance for mining projects in the Galilee basin, where the Adani mine would be based.
Senator Canavan has repeatedly called on states to end state bans on gas exploration and extraction, accusing them of undermining energy security.
NTA's note: he's also the silly prick who said this:
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Senator Canavan, who was elected in 2013, told reporters in Brisbane that he was not born in Italy and had never visited the country.
His mother, who has never visited Italy either and was born in Australia, registered herself and her son for overseas citizenship at the Italian consulate in Brisbane in 2006.How the fuck is that possible?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Senator Canavan, who was elected in 2013, told reporters in Brisbane that he was not born in Italy and had never visited the country.
His mother, who has never visited Italy either and was born in Australia, registered herself and her son for overseas citizenship at the Italian consulate in Brisbane in 2006.How the fuck is that possible?
Must be eligible via family. Italian rules obviously allow it. Ireland are another country that has fairly open rules around eligibility I believe. I think if you eat a potato, drink a pint of Guinness and play rugby you get handed a passport for free.
Apart from if you want to go into politics in Australia, having multiple citizenships (especially one from an EU country) can be a advantage in life should you want to work/ travel overseas. -
Is that really all it takes to get Italian citizenship? Surely as an adult he would have to sign something himself. How on earth could his mother apply for Italian citizenship on his behalf without some kind of authorisation from him?
Seems very fishy.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Is that really all it takes to get Italian citizenship? Surely as an adult he would have to sign something himself. How on earth could his mother apply for Italian citizenship on his behalf without some kind of authorisation from him?
Seems very fishy.
Bloke I know - similar situation where he had Italian heritage and parents made him become a dual citizen - said he had to front at the consulate with photo ID, signed forms etc
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Is that really all it takes to get Italian citizenship? Surely as an adult he would have to sign something himself. How on earth could his mother apply for Italian citizenship on his behalf without some kind of authorisation from him?
Seems very fishy.
Bloke I know - similar situation where he had Italian heritage and parents made him become a dual citizen - said he had to front at the consulate with photo ID, signed forms etc
Was he an adult?
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Guy I knew had his parents do the same thing for him as a kid which was all well and good until he went to visit his relatives in Lebanon and someone at immigration picked it up. When he went to go home he was pulled aside and asked why he hadn't done his compulsory years in the military in Lebanon, fortunately for him while he was being questioned it emerged that he was the only son and therefore exempt.
Fuck that.
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
When he went to go home he was pulled aside and asked why he hadn't done his compulsory years in the military in Lebanon
Years? Sweet Jesus, how long does it take to learn Lebanese marksmanship principles?
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@Paekakboyz definite brown trousers moment, no idea about their army but I think they were backed by Syria back then . He went from cursing his parents to thanking them for never having another son .
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@Rancid-Schnitzel on the ABC this morning they had dug out the application papers. Apparently it's plausible, application must be signed by the applicant (ie his mum) but not necessarily the intended recipient of citizenship, ie him.
This has been a fucked up week even by Australian political standards.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel on the ABC this morning they had dug out the application papers. Apparently it's plausible, application must be signed by the applicant (ie his mum) but not necessarily the intended recipient of citizenship, ie him.
This has been a fucked up week even by Australian political standards.
I find it a bit weird that his mother would apply for Italian citizenship on his behalf and never tell him. Seems like something that might at least be mentioned a some stage.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel of course the whole explanation is retarded.
BUT, apparently it was cheaper to do the whole family at the same time. That's definitely something i can see a mother doing.
There is still no way he didn't know about it.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
BUT, apparently it was cheaper to do the whole family at the same time. That's definitely something i can see a mother doing.
Particularly an Italian mother...
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