Israel & Palestine
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@antipodean you can add things like this to your list
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Every Israeli I have ever met has been a arrogant twunt. Wether in Israel or travelling elsewhere.
The world would be a better place if Israel as a modern nation had never been created by parachuting a bunch of European jews in to the middle east out of a feeling of collective guilt from western govts because of the holocaust.BUT...
They have every single right to name their own damn capital. FFS the Palestinians wouldn't waste a day if they controlled Jerusalem to name it as their capital, and with zero doubt the west would figuratively blow their collective load over such a move. The Jews were there before the Palestinians, they have a serious history with the place. They won a damn war (more than one but lets not quibble) to control the place.
All this hysteria from the liberal elite is quite pathetic, the peace process was in tatters looong before this move ans was going nowehre. Due to numerous factors amongst
1/ Israelis are twunts
2/ Israel are building a wall which takes makes victims of innocent Palestinian farmers... a twunt move that could have been done better.
3/ Palestinians don't recognize Israels right to exist... a twunt move
4/ Palestine group are full of terrrorist groups.. who behave like terrorists groups.. a bunch of twunts.This move has done nothing to harm or promote a peace accord, it has not moved the dial even a smidgen.
In summary, that area is full of twunts. Worst place I EVER travelled to.
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@baron-silas-greenback there is plenty of bad behaviour to go around on both sides. Back in the day the mufti of Jerusalem made sport of trying to get rid of the Jews. Whoever had the power did bad shit. I'm reading a book about the history of the city back to antiquity. For a holy city a lot of bad stuff has gone down there
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Israel & Palestine:
Every Israeli I have ever met has been a arrogant twunt. Wether in Israel or travelling elsewhere.
The world would be a better place if Israel as a modern nation had never been created by parachuting a bunch of European jews in to the middle east out of a feeling of collective guilt from western govts because of the holocaust.BUT...
They have every single right to name their own damn capital. FFS the Palestinians wouldn't waste a day if they controlled Jerusalem to name it as their capital, and with zero doubt the west would figuratively blow their collective load over such a move. The Jews were there before the Palestinians, they have a serious history with the place. They won a damn war (more than one but lets not quibble) to control the place.
All this hysteria from the liberal elite is quite pathetic, the peace process was in tatters looong before this move ans was going nowehre. Due to numerous factors amongst
1/ Israelis are twunts
2/ Israel are building a wall which takes makes victims of innocent Palestinian farmers... a twunt move that could have been done better.
3/ Palestinians don't recognize Israels right to exist... a twunt move
4/ Palestine group are full of terrrorist groups.. who behave like terrorists groups.. a bunch of twunts.This move has done nothing to harm or promote a peace accord, it has not moved the dial even a smidgen.
In summary, that area is full of twunts. Worst place I EVER travelled to.
100% agree with this post, wish I could articulate myself like you mate.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback has summed it up nicely.
The historic ins and outs of the place are that messy that "possession is nine tenths of the law" springs to mind for me... or to quote that renowned historian Basil, "who won the bloody war anyway?"
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Israel & Palestine:
Every Israeli I have ever met has been a arrogant twunt. Wether in Israel or travelling elsewhere.
The world would be a better place if Israel as a modern nation had never been created by parachuting a bunch of European jews in to the middle east out of a feeling of collective guilt from western govts because of the holocaust.BUT...
They have every single right to name their own damn capital. FFS the Palestinians wouldn't waste a day if they controlled Jerusalem to name it as their capital, and with zero doubt the west would figuratively blow their collective load over such a move. The Jews were there before the Palestinians, they have a serious history with the place. They won a damn war (more than one but lets not quibble) to control the place.
All this hysteria from the liberal elite is quite pathetic, the peace process was in tatters looong before this move ans was going nowehre. Due to numerous factors amongst
1/ Israelis are twunts
2/ Israel are building a wall which takes makes victims of innocent Palestinian farmers... a twunt move that could have been done better.
3/ Palestinians don't recognize Israels right to exist... a twunt move
4/ Palestine group are full of terrrorist groups.. who behave like terrorists groups.. a bunch of twunts.This move has done nothing to harm or promote a peace accord, it has not moved the dial even a smidgen.
In summary, that area is full of twunts. Worst place I EVER travelled to.
Yup, great summary from both sides. This isn't that difficult to understand for anyone that actually wants to know though.
Those protesters @Rembrandt talks about are all fucking idiots, on both sides. These people are incredibly frustrating, the way they all get out on the streets and protest on issues they clearly don't know the first fucking thing about, and for what? To say they "won"? We don't need people trying to win, we need people trying to achieve peace.
Just a bunch of useful idiots. Seriously, right now is the best time to be alive, period. We live in an age of information, anything you want to learn is at your fingertips. If these fucking idiots did what @canefan is doing and just read a fucking book we wouldn't have this ever increasingly polarizing environment.
But no, let's all go out on the street and fight each other over shit we don't understand!
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@no-quarter Sad thing is I am sure there are plenty of people on both sides who would like to live in peace side by side, but the twunts won't have it
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just got down there. 36degrees. Maybe 30 police around the perimeter. A few media. Smatterings of antifa (currently sans masks). Group of about 15 Muslim looking blokes with yellow flags in Arabic. Group of marxists promoting their upcoming conference. 10 Carf organisers in fluro gear. A number of tourists taking photos. And 2 young Korean girls busking and probably confused as all hell about the burgeoning crowd.
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@canefan said in Israel & Palestine:
@no-quarter Sad thing is I am sure there are plenty of people on both sides who would like to live in peace side by side, but the twunts won't have it
Yup, most people are pretty moderate, it's only a minority that are genuine extremists.
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@no-quarter said in Israel & Palestine:
@canefan said in Israel & Palestine:
@no-quarter Sad thing is I am sure there are plenty of people on both sides who would like to live in peace side by side, but the twunts won't have it
Yup, most people are pretty moderate, it's only a minority that are genuine extremists.
Well yeah, because if the majority were extremists then they would not be on the extreme.
Sorry should have said "Pedant alert" at the beginning of the post.
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@Catogrande touché...
The not-so-well made point was that society works best when you have a balance of ideas from the left and the right, as you get better outcomes from discussions between people with differing viewpoints. The extremists on both sides are poisoning those discussions, particularly the far left who appear to be inexplicably making a comeback, and that is hurting the west right now.
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Excellent points made by @Baron-Silas-Greenback, couldn't agree more. Having said that, I think Trump might have been able to have actually moved things along by announcing the move and acknowledging that the future capital of Palestine will be in East Jerusalem. Nevertheless, I don't think there is much to see here.
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@no-quarter Ha! The point was quite well made by both you and @canefan
I was merely being pedantic and a little facile.
The Middle East is so fucked over in so many places that I fear it will never be resolved. I honestly think that if it was possible to move Israel out that there would still be huge problems in the ME. Israel is simply the biggest piece of grit in the oyster. Note: This is not me blaming Israel or suggesting the State of Israel should not exist or should be moved.
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Leftard is as leftard does
“2017 has become the year that women have spoken out against injustice and abuse by those in power. Lorde has become to her generation what Rosa Parkes, Jane Fonda, Kate Shepherd, and many others were to theirs.”
Ffs , actually the Jane Fonda one is probably accurate, a self absorbed misguided fool.
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@jegga said in Israel & Palestine:
Leftard is as leftard does
“2017 has become the year that women have spoken out against injustice and abuse by those in power. Lorde has become to her generation what Rosa Parkes, Jane Fonda, Kate Shepherd, and many others were to theirs.”
Ffs , actually the Jane Fonda one is probably accurate, a self absorbed misguided fool.
I feel sorry for Lorde.
Depending on where you sit on the multi-dimensional spectrum she got fucked over.
Basically bullied into chucking in the concert. All of a sudden she is making a statement in support of Palestine.
She just wanted to sing somewhere and make some cash.
But because Palestine is a cause célèbre for the left ...
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I've worked with a fair few Israelis in software development - a lot of whom were born Jewish but don't necessarily go hardline on it. Most of them were pretty chilled out, and generally funny people.
When the topic comes up, most of them shrug and move on. They're just happy to be able to drive around without the hassle they get in some places back home with security forces etc.
There were a few exceptions. One woman I work with married into a Jewish family and had to jump through all the hoops to get there. She is always bitching about her husband's laziness and putting up with her family's shit.
Fuck she got seriously fired up when I stated Israel was not helping by seizing territory and kicking people out of their houses. I'd previously stated that by the same token, people firing rockets into civilian areas was fucked. Israel fully deserve to have a state if they can beat off superior forces like they did last century, but don't be shunts about it.
She started to get a bit spiky, then suddenly had to run off to a meeting.
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@booboo said in Israel & Palestine:
@jegga said in Israel & Palestine:
Leftard is as leftard does
“2017 has become the year that women have spoken out against injustice and abuse by those in power. Lorde has become to her generation what Rosa Parkes, Jane Fonda, Kate Shepherd, and many others were to theirs.”
Ffs , actually the Jane Fonda one is probably accurate, a self absorbed misguided fool.
I feel sorry for Lorde.
Depending on where you sit on the multi-dimensional spectrum she got fucked over.
Basically bullied into chucking in the concert. All of a sudden she is making a statement in support of Palestine.
She just wanted to sing somewhere and make some cash.
But because Palestine is a cause célèbre for the left ...
I don't feel the least bit sorry for her, she was happy to play in Russia and Trumps America .