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@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
But I still feel this has more to do with his home country Australia then it does with us. Whatever drove him to act out and harbour the hate he has came about from his real home.
He was a fat kid who was shit at sports. Unsurprisingly he didn't have any friends.
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@antipodean said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
But I still feel this has more to do with his home country Australia then it does with us. Whatever drove him to act out and harbour the hate he has came about from his real home.
He was a fat kid who was shit at sports. Unsurprisingly he didn't have any friends.
This is the critical point. In almost all cases these lone wolves, muslim white or otherwise, are farking losers. They latch onto some cause out on the fringes to make themselves feel important for once and this is their chance for 10 minutes of 'fame'.
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@antipodean said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He was a fat kid who was shit at sports. Unsurprisingly he didn't have any friends.
I could almost hear the aussie twang when I read that! Great description!
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@MajorRage said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
The virtue signalling is getting on my tits.
Hit a new low this morning from somebody who, frankly speaking, I expected much better of. Based in Melbourne, went to some Mosque over the weekend to "support the community" and has taken a photo with her partner, both of them cuddling up pulling one of their "funny selfie" pictures.
Basically tourism.
I agree with you about the signalling, but one fact that might be relevant - in Melbourne on the weekend it was some sort of Mosque 'open day', where non-Islamic people were encouraged to visit, take photos etc.
So it might not have been as insensitive as it seemed.
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@antipodean said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
But I still feel this has more to do with his home country Australia then it does with us. Whatever drove him to act out and harbour the hate he has came about from his real home.
He was a fat kid who was shit at sports. Unsurprisingly he didn't have any friends.
This is the critical point. In almost all cases these lone wolves, muslim white or otherwise, are farking losers. They latch onto some cause out on the fringes to make themselves feel important for once and this is their chance for 10 minutes of 'fame'.
That's exactly right. These are folk on the fringes without sustainable meaning in their lives.
Think of the kids in your class growing up, the ones on the bottom rung, socially weird and constantly bullied. I understand his father had cancer and committed suicide, it doesn't excuse anything but it can create a fertile ground for this to grow.
It's so infuriating that Jordan Peterson is often so slandered by mainstream outlets as its his message which has been having success in de-radicalising people like this terrorist. His 12 rules book is the exact antidote to this guys manifesto.
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@barbarian said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@MajorRage said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
The virtue signalling is getting on my tits.
Hit a new low this morning from somebody who, frankly speaking, I expected much better of. Based in Melbourne, went to some Mosque over the weekend to "support the community" and has taken a photo with her partner, both of them cuddling up pulling one of their "funny selfie" pictures.
Basically tourism.
I agree with you about the signalling, but one fact that might be relevant - in Melbourne on the weekend it was some sort of Mosque 'open day', where non-Islamic people were encouraged to visit, take photos etc.
So it might not have been as insensitive as it seemed.
@barbarian said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@MajorRage said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
The virtue signalling is getting on my tits.
Hit a new low this morning from somebody who, frankly speaking, I expected much better of. Based in Melbourne, went to some Mosque over the weekend to "support the community" and has taken a photo with her partner, both of them cuddling up pulling one of their "funny selfie" pictures.
Basically tourism.
I agree with you about the signalling, but one fact that might be relevant - in Melbourne on the weekend it was some sort of Mosque 'open day', where non-Islamic people were encouraged to visit, take photos etc.
So it might not have been as insensitive as it seemed.
Yes it was. An event organised by the Islamic Council of Victoria and planned well in advance of the Christchurch shootings.
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This is a good point, as many of this guys actions look like attempts to assimilate, which clearly didn’t work.
He was once a fat useless sportsperson who apparently fully committed to personal training. When that didn’t work, he no doubt tried other things, trying to find a place to fit in.
I won’t be surprised if he endured significant bullying (the father’s suicide and associated trauma doesn’t surprise me) and I’d wager he had some event where he was passed over or in some other perceived a slight against his person that he could point towards brown, specially Muslim, people.
I think that Baron is right; I don’t think he’s representative of any significant sub-population in NZ or Oz. Nevertheless, it’s very useful to find out how and where he got these ideas. For all I know, there is a dangerous group of people radicalizing people. If so, I want them identified in the same way that I’d want people identified who were trying to radicalize muslims.
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@gt12 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I won’t be surprised if he endured significant bullying (the father’s suicide and associated trauma doesn’t surprise me) and I’d wager he had some event where he was passed over or in some other perceived a slight against his person that he could point towards brown, specially Muslim, people.
I guess spending considerable time in Turkey would assist there. London to a brick you won't find many crusading against bullying with this as their poster child.
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Just another asshole using the 50 dead for personal/political gain
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214162
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Erdogan is the antithesis of Ataturk.
Major ISP in Australia has now also jumped on the same censorship bandwagon.
...nothing like giant corporations being the arbiters of societal morality. Independent news site and what appears to be some sort of farming blog (joke) as being the two I'm aware of.
At least in Australia there are some media who might actually make a stand against giving away freedoms so willingly.
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Well Abbott wants to make it so that you can't use the Internet anonymously. Bit of an overreaction and a considerable leap down the path of 1984. Once they know who you are, they can visit and advise your opinions aren't correct.
Particularly if you're scathing of elected officials or imbecilic public servants.
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..also some sites named after what I can only assume was their Chinese founder.
At some point you have to decide do you want to live in a free society with all the uncertainty that can bring or would you rather we live in a world where governments and corporations determine what thoughts are permissible?
These experiments have already been done last century and the results are crystal clear as to what will happen.
I can't help but feel the exact worst people are calling the shots right now.
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@Rembrandt yeah, this is part of the statement from the GCSB:
New Zealand’s intelligence and security agencies do not currently have the legal authority, technical means or resources to actively monitor all online activity that occurs in New Zealand. In addition, all intelligence and security agencies are grappling with the challenges of encryption and closed online communities.
We can't have it both ways. Either we allow organisations like NZSIS and GCSB to monitor us, or we accept that some people will slip through the cracks in a free society.
Either way, surveillance is really the last line of defense. It's the ideas that lead to this that need challenging, which is why we should not push them further underground.
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I have an immigrant wife who has copped some awful abuse in the last year. She spent most of the weekend in tears and is now scared to ride the bus or walk through town following the events.
A heavy police presence mitigates this considerably, as does prosecuting people for inciting this hatred.
Personally I think the police and government have handled this situation wonderfully and I hope this approach continues.
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@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I have an immigrant wife who has copped some awful abuse in the last year. She spent most of the weekend in tears and is now scared to ride the bus or walk through town following the events.
A heavy police presence mitigates this considerably, as does prosecuting people for inciting this hatred.
Personally I think the police and government have handled this situation wonderfully and I hope this approach continues.
That's terrible mate. Is that a normal occurrence in Chch? The city always had a rep for being a bit of a white power hot bed but getting accosted on a regular basis in broad daylight is unacceptable
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I have an immigrant wife who has copped some awful abuse in the last year. She spent most of the weekend in tears and is now scared to ride the bus or walk through town following the events.
A heavy police presence mitigates this considerably, as does prosecuting people for inciting this hatred.
Personally I think the police and government have handled this situation wonderfully and I hope this approach continues.
That's terrible mate. Is that a normal occurrence in Chch? The city always had a rep for being a bit of a white power hot bed but getting accosted on a regular basis in broad daylight is unacceptable
I hadn't noticed it much until the last year or so, where it's happened a couple of times. Both times she's been on her own and the abusers have been groups of young men.
It's unacceptable and I feel really ashamed it's happened in Christchurch.
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@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@SammyC said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I have an immigrant wife who has copped some awful abuse in the last year. She spent most of the weekend in tears and is now scared to ride the bus or walk through town following the events.
A heavy police presence mitigates this considerably, as does prosecuting people for inciting this hatred.
Personally I think the police and government have handled this situation wonderfully and I hope this approach continues.
That's terrible mate. Is that a normal occurrence in Chch? The city always had a rep for being a bit of a white power hot bed but getting accosted on a regular basis in broad daylight is unacceptable
I hadn't noticed it much until the last year or so, where it's happened a couple of times. Both times she's been on her own and the abusers have been groups of young men.
It's unacceptable and I feel really ashamed it's happened in Christchurch.
God damn heroes the lot of them. No excuse for it. Even more reason to operate with a low tolerance stance to all hate acts going forward
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@SammyC thanks for sharing, I know it's not easy but the only way to address racism like that is to call it out.
I don't think laws against racist attitudes will stop people being racist. It will only drive them underground to forums like 8chan where they will sit in an echo chamber with building resentment towards society. I want a light shone on these ideas - it'd be great to see debates with far right racists to really showcase how bad their ideas are. I'd love to see someone like Jordan Peterson dissect Richard Spencer (well known neo-Nazi) in a debate the same way he has in some of his viral videos picking apart idiotic far left ideas.
We shouldn't fear these people's ideas. They're wrong on just about everything. De-platforming them only builds their case and feeds into their conspiracy theories and resentment.
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