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@Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Jacinda is our Oprah, Healer-in-Chief.
NZH: Oprah praises Jacinda
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12221561
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The guy holding the phone came across as a bit of an idiot to me. No wonder he is on some sort of 'list'. It was pretty obvious he was more interested in ranting than having a conversation.
No problem with them carrying a gun. It's not only about the chat with the guy, it's also about being able to respond adequately should something happen during their shift. Imagine the shit storm if something happened and police were in the vicinity, but did not have the tools to respond properly.
As for the cop not wanting to be recorded, who knows? Cops are human too and maybe he didn't fancy being all over the internet. It's also pretty bloody hard to speak to somebody when they are holding a phone up in your face. You know straight away the odds are it's going to hard to rationalise with them.
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@Crazy-Horse Was hoping you'd respond. I was under the impression that police in NZ do not routinely carry firearms (normally in the vehicle). If this wasn't routine and there was enough of a risk to warrant a weapon that there would at least be an arrest.
I've had a look through the guy in question's facebook, a bit ranty but nothing outrageous (at least publicly). I don't begrudge him videoing the situation considering his negative opinion of some of the governments recent decisions along with similar footage coming from the UK. It would have been good if the officer had discussed the situation at least a little on camera, the end result here is an already concerned guy has now moved well into the paranoid camp.
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Crazy-Horse Was hoping you'd respond. I was under the impression that police in NZ do not routinely carry firearms (normally in the vehicle). If this wasn't routine and there was enough of a risk to warrant a weapon that there would at least be an arrest.
I've had a look through the guy in question's facebook, a bit ranty but nothing outrageous (at least publicly). I don't begrudge him videoing the situation considering his negative opinion of some of the governments recent decisions along with similar footage coming from the UK. It would have been good if the officer had discussed the situation at least a little on camera, the end result here is an already concerned guy has now moved well into the paranoid camp.
I've noticed a lot of cops carrying handguns around of late. Maybe this is quietly becoming a standard thing?
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@Rembrandt I think there is and that would be why more cops are carrying.
Agree that the cop could have engaged more even with the guy recording him. It looks like police are hiding something otherwise.
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Police announced they would all be carrying post mosque atrocities. They didn't give an end date to the new policy. Hope this doesn't become the new norm by stealth but think it probably will do.
Add it to the list of societal changes for the worse as a result of one nutter
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One guy acting alone not even a NZer, goes berko in a unique outlier in a peaceful country and now cops are visibly carrying guns for a Sunday visit at 10am for a chat.
Are we over egging this pudding?
Not a great way to connect with the normalcy of kiwi life or the community. Has Tarrant changed the fabric of NZ society or have our authorities changed it?
The impression is that our society is riddled with white supremacists plotting more destruction. Doesn't add up, given the vague communication coming from authorities.
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
One guy acting alone not even a NZer, goes berko in a unique outlier in a peaceful country and now cops are visibly carrying guns for a Sunday visit at 10am for a chat.
Are we over egging this pudding?
Not a great way to connect with the normalcy of kiwi life or the community. Has Tarrant changed the fabric of NZ society or have our authorities changed it?
The impression is that our society is riddled with white supremacists plotting more destruction. Doesn't add up, given the vague communication coming from authorities.
I think you have to add to that the pattern worldwide. It’s as much a reaction to stuff in Europe, the US and Aus as the recent atrocity in NZ. Whether that is still an over reaction I don’t know.
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@Catogrande yeah, fair call.
Just a bit disillusioned by the non specific fear mongering rather than rational information to citizens.
"Stay home, be vigilant, be worried, there are bad men out there, but we'll (police &gov) just skulk around with handguns finding them. Can't give details, too scary"
Keeping people scared is what I see
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@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Police announced they would all be carrying post mosque atrocities. They didn't give an end date to the new policy. Hope this doesn't become the new norm by stealth but think it probably will do.
At the time it was a six weeks plan to be reviewed. Spent a two days near several police at a public event this week and none were open carrying at the time.
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I get the fear mongering argument, but what else are police supposed to do? Whether we like it or not there is a higher than normal risk of something happening following the shootings. Police need to be prepared.
As for turning up to this guy's house armed, it is basic officer safety. Police treat all interactions with the public as having either an 'unknown risk' or 'high risk'. Rightly or wrongly this bloke was on some sort of list and maybe that list meant he was in the 'high risk' category. It would be stupid for an officer not to consider using the tools available to him.
Police are generally required to use the least amount of force necessary. One officer with a side arm is reasonable in my view given the circumstances. It's not like they turned up with the armed offenders squad.
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@Crazy-Horse good post, thanks mate. Do you think such directives from up high and modern attitudes to policing are creating an increasing disconnect with communities?
One explanation could be that reduced funding has created the need for a leaner, less personal form of policing
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I thought post-ANZAC Day they said the threat level had been reduced, so possibly just not taking chances (due to Ramadan?)
Also heard something on the radio the other day that one of the Mosque's was installing a state of the art shooter detection system...cant find the story online, thought best not to go googling stuff like that either.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Whether we like it or not there is a higher than normal risk of something happening following the shootings.
Genuine question - is that true and if so why? Purely due to copy cat?
Understand a little extra caution though.
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@Snowy said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Crazy-Horse said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Whether we like it or not there is a higher than normal risk of something happening following the shootings.
Genuine question - is that true and if so why? Purely due to copy cat?
Understand a little extra caution though.
Not entirely sure where they got their information, but we are led to believe at work that the risk is higher following an attack. Copy cat attacks and revenge attacks, and uncertainty around the extent of any terrorist cells (if terror related) are the reasons they cite.
Maybe they are trying to scare us into being extra vigilant. l did read that terrorist acts don't seem to occur in clusters any more, suggesting one terrorist attack does not necessarily lead to another. But I am not sure that study would be relevant to what happened in Christchurch, or how credible the study was.
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Crazy-Horse good post, thanks mate. Do you think such directives from up high and modern attitudes to policing are creating an increasing disconnect with communities?
One explanation could be that reduced funding has created the need for a leaner, less personal form of policing
Some stories don't generate as many headlines as others, but there's still plenty of ongoing community engagement that I've seen lately, e.g.
... Mrs Tuhoro says community constables and other local officers have a high profile in the school, and - because of that - the attitude towards police has moved in the six years since the high school opened. "When police first came in to the school, they were referred to as pigs. Then they became the cops. And now our youth aid officer's name: George. So that's the change that's happened," she says...
Link: Kawerau town's gang family children studying for police career
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It would be great to know what the criteria for a visit is.
Legally purchase a gun and publicly criticise an extremist ideology?
Will Jacinda's working group to save us from social media extend on this?...I'm sure it's all just keeping us safe.
Christchurch Gunman in Mosque