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My wife (lawyer) said he's representing himself but is entitled to legal counsel to ensure he understands how things work. I.E. legal assistance, which is normal as people who represent themselves don't have a clue how things actually work.
Unless he's completely changed his mind on that?
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@No-Quarter said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
My wife (lawyer) said he's representing himself but is entitled to legal counsel to ensure he understands how things work. I.E. legal assistance, which is normal as people who represent themselves don't have a clue how things actually work.
Yup, it’s all process stuff, which I suspect he’s going to be clueless about. My guess is he’ll try to use his time to sermonize, there’ll be numerous objections, warnings and he’ll be gagged and held in contempt.
Ofcourse, just because he’s evil and a homicidal maniac doesn’t necessarily mean he’s stupid. One presumes he has access to legal books and might be able to prepare and mount something of a defence. But he’ll be on very thin ice and judge will throw the book at him the second he strays outside his boundries.
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@No-Quarter they said on tv1 he has legal representation and read a quoted section from the Lawyers representing citing his right to representation in the civilised world or something...expect they are making the statement as plenty will be unable to understand how they can represent him...but tv1 could well be wrong too haha
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@taniwharugby fair enough, was probably told how much work is involved representing himself so changed his mind.
Also, the lawyer that does represent him is doing a hell of a service to society. Without the right to a fair trial everything falls over very quickly, it's one of the most important things that separates countries like NZ from shithole countries where basic human rights do not exist. I would hope people appreciate that instead of slagging him/her off.
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The biggest concern with this piece of shit is he’s likely to cause a heap of legal troubles (and waste a lot of resources money and court time)
The guy will have nothing to lose, he must know he’s going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.
There’s already reports he’s complaining about his incarceration conditions. How hard will he try to use that as leverage.
Can see him taking corrections to court like that pedo Phillip Smith has been, botching about his wig and products.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Jacinda is our Oprah, Healer-in-Chief.
NZH: Oprah praises Jacinda
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12221561
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The guy holding the phone came across as a bit of an idiot to me. No wonder he is on some sort of 'list'. It was pretty obvious he was more interested in ranting than having a conversation.
No problem with them carrying a gun. It's not only about the chat with the guy, it's also about being able to respond adequately should something happen during their shift. Imagine the shit storm if something happened and police were in the vicinity, but did not have the tools to respond properly.
As for the cop not wanting to be recorded, who knows? Cops are human too and maybe he didn't fancy being all over the internet. It's also pretty bloody hard to speak to somebody when they are holding a phone up in your face. You know straight away the odds are it's going to hard to rationalise with them.
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@Crazy-Horse Was hoping you'd respond. I was under the impression that police in NZ do not routinely carry firearms (normally in the vehicle). If this wasn't routine and there was enough of a risk to warrant a weapon that there would at least be an arrest.
I've had a look through the guy in question's facebook, a bit ranty but nothing outrageous (at least publicly). I don't begrudge him videoing the situation considering his negative opinion of some of the governments recent decisions along with similar footage coming from the UK. It would have been good if the officer had discussed the situation at least a little on camera, the end result here is an already concerned guy has now moved well into the paranoid camp.
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Crazy-Horse Was hoping you'd respond. I was under the impression that police in NZ do not routinely carry firearms (normally in the vehicle). If this wasn't routine and there was enough of a risk to warrant a weapon that there would at least be an arrest.
I've had a look through the guy in question's facebook, a bit ranty but nothing outrageous (at least publicly). I don't begrudge him videoing the situation considering his negative opinion of some of the governments recent decisions along with similar footage coming from the UK. It would have been good if the officer had discussed the situation at least a little on camera, the end result here is an already concerned guy has now moved well into the paranoid camp.
I've noticed a lot of cops carrying handguns around of late. Maybe this is quietly becoming a standard thing?
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@Rembrandt I think there is and that would be why more cops are carrying.
Agree that the cop could have engaged more even with the guy recording him. It looks like police are hiding something otherwise.
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Police announced they would all be carrying post mosque atrocities. They didn't give an end date to the new policy. Hope this doesn't become the new norm by stealth but think it probably will do.
Add it to the list of societal changes for the worse as a result of one nutter
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One guy acting alone not even a NZer, goes berko in a unique outlier in a peaceful country and now cops are visibly carrying guns for a Sunday visit at 10am for a chat.
Are we over egging this pudding?
Not a great way to connect with the normalcy of kiwi life or the community. Has Tarrant changed the fabric of NZ society or have our authorities changed it?
The impression is that our society is riddled with white supremacists plotting more destruction. Doesn't add up, given the vague communication coming from authorities.
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
One guy acting alone not even a NZer, goes berko in a unique outlier in a peaceful country and now cops are visibly carrying guns for a Sunday visit at 10am for a chat.
Are we over egging this pudding?
Not a great way to connect with the normalcy of kiwi life or the community. Has Tarrant changed the fabric of NZ society or have our authorities changed it?
The impression is that our society is riddled with white supremacists plotting more destruction. Doesn't add up, given the vague communication coming from authorities.
I think you have to add to that the pattern worldwide. It’s as much a reaction to stuff in Europe, the US and Aus as the recent atrocity in NZ. Whether that is still an over reaction I don’t know.
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@Catogrande yeah, fair call.
Just a bit disillusioned by the non specific fear mongering rather than rational information to citizens.
"Stay home, be vigilant, be worried, there are bad men out there, but we'll (police &gov) just skulk around with handguns finding them. Can't give details, too scary"
Keeping people scared is what I see
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@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Police announced they would all be carrying post mosque atrocities. They didn't give an end date to the new policy. Hope this doesn't become the new norm by stealth but think it probably will do.
At the time it was a six weeks plan to be reviewed. Spent a two days near several police at a public event this week and none were open carrying at the time.
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I get the fear mongering argument, but what else are police supposed to do? Whether we like it or not there is a higher than normal risk of something happening following the shootings. Police need to be prepared.
As for turning up to this guy's house armed, it is basic officer safety. Police treat all interactions with the public as having either an 'unknown risk' or 'high risk'. Rightly or wrongly this bloke was on some sort of list and maybe that list meant he was in the 'high risk' category. It would be stupid for an officer not to consider using the tools available to him.
Police are generally required to use the least amount of force necessary. One officer with a side arm is reasonable in my view given the circumstances. It's not like they turned up with the armed offenders squad.
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@Crazy-Horse good post, thanks mate. Do you think such directives from up high and modern attitudes to policing are creating an increasing disconnect with communities?
One explanation could be that reduced funding has created the need for a leaner, less personal form of policing
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I thought post-ANZAC Day they said the threat level had been reduced, so possibly just not taking chances (due to Ramadan?)
Also heard something on the radio the other day that one of the Mosque's was installing a state of the art shooter detection system...cant find the story online, thought best not to go googling stuff like that either.
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