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Abbott is an interesting one. 'Dick' is not a great word to describe him, but certainly you have to consider why a man with his parliamentary and local service record (as Mick correctly points out) was voted out so comprehensively, in an election where the wider populace swung the other way.
I just think time passed him by. His electorate has shifted a bit to the left, while he himself has shifted a bit to the right. Climate change, gay marriage, even the leadership of the Liberal party. He slowly became a dinosaur in the eyes of his own people, and the sniping interviews with Ray Hadley and co probably didn't help either.
I think he'll be remembered as someone who could have achieved so much more than he did. His concession speech on Saturday night was the best I've ever seen - gracious, profound, incisive and compelling. It left me thinking 'where was this Tony for the past fifteen years?'.
He never came across as warm or likeable, though behind the scenes he clearly was those things. But he never had any real self-awareness, and never saw Turnbull's bullet coming at his head. A warts-and-all autobiography would be fascinating, but only if he develops that self-awareness.
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@barbarian I can give you 12.5 million reasons....
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
As sure as night follows day, as soon as a right of centre party beats a left of centre party in an election, then the supporters of said left of centre party will dub whole swathes of people, including entire states, as un-educated, ignorant, and selfish.
But its Queensland so they've got a point
Adani will be a very interesting for both the state Labor and Fed Liberal to deal with in the next couple of years (next QLD election late 2020?).
Palace Chook was right up Adani's arse then went a bit cold on it later when it looked a bit less popular than first thought. Since then she seems to have stood delayed until she could blame the Feds for however it panned out. Not a popular decision.
Let's see.... estimated 1400 permanent jobs. Questions whether its establishment actually threatens other projects. The fact the coal there isn't of quite the same quality as Hunter or some overseas coal sources, and the value of the project is questionable. Viability still up in the air and a downturn in commodity prices could make it a white elephant.
That's economics speaking - forget the emissions/climate change reasoning.
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
Mishel Laurie has a very misleading twitter profile pic, it effectively disguises her landwhale status .
Always love shitlebrities wading in or in her case waddling in when an election doesn’t go their way.Laurie is hideous. She makes Jabba the Hutt look attractive.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
As sure as night follows day, as soon as a right of centre party beats a left of centre party in an election, then the supporters of said left of centre party will dub whole swathes of people, including entire states, as un-educated, ignorant, and selfish.
But its Queensland so they've got a point
Adani will be a very interesting for both the state Labor and Fed Liberal to deal with in the next couple of years (next QLD election late 2020?).
Palace Chook was right up Adani's arse then went a bit cold on it later when it looked a bit less popular than first thought. Since then she seems to have stood delayed until she could blame the Feds for however it panned out. Not a popular decision.
Let's see.... estimated 1400 permanent jobs. Questions whether its establishment actually threatens other projects. The fact the coal there isn't of quite the same quality as Hunter or some overseas coal sources, and the value of the project is questionable. Viability still up in the air and a downturn in commodity prices could make it a white elephant.
That's economics speaking - forget the emissions/climate change reasoning.
Palace Chook is trying to ride the same tightrope as Shorten. After this result I assume she'll approve it, but that horrendous Trad woman seems to carry alot of sway in that party and her seat is gonski if Adani goes ahead. I hope this election will push Labor to embrace their traditional constitutents rather than the latte slurpers, but I'm not holding my breath. It's symbolic that Hawke died in the last week. He would have walked the election on Saturday although his ahem bits on the side might not have been hidden if he'd been leader now.
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We had this beast on every powerpole in my neighbourhood.
https://www.victoriansocialists.org.au/kath_larkin
Managed 5% of the vote too, pretty sure this is her on q&a questioning Peterson
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
It's symbolic that Hawke died in the last week. He would have walked the election on Saturday although his ahem bits on the side might not have been hidden if he'd been leader now.
Would Australian voters have cared?
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
It's symbolic that Hawke died in the last week. He would have walked the election on Saturday although his ahem bits on the side might not have been hidden if he'd been leader now.
Would Australian voters have cared?
They wouldn't have cared, but the usual screaming harpies might. Although they do tend to turn a blind eye to these things when it's their side. Case in point: Bill Clinton.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
As sure as night follows day, as soon as a right of centre party beats a left of centre party in an election, then the supporters of said left of centre party will dub whole swathes of people, including entire states, as un-educated, ignorant, and selfish. They will unashamedly make claims about people falling for the other side's dirty scare campaign, about how people fell for soundbites rather than virtue, and make further claims about how this has set the country back years, as how could these people not feel the same as them?
Works both ways. Some National supporters are still saying the same things over here WE WUZ ROBBED
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
As sure as night follows day, as soon as a right of centre party beats a left of centre party in an election, then the supporters of said left of centre party will dub whole swathes of people, including entire states, as un-educated, ignorant, and selfish. They will unashamedly make claims about people falling for the other side's dirty scare campaign, about how people fell for soundbites rather than virtue, and make further claims about how this has set the country back years, as how could these people not feel the same as them?
Works both ways. Some National supporters are still saying the same things over here WE WUZ ROBBED
Robbed by Winnie!!
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The funniest thing is that the people who bitch and moan about the toxic nature of politics or the deep divisions in a nation are the biggest contributors to those things actually existing.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
It's symbolic that Hawke died in the last week. He would have walked the election on Saturday although his ahem bits on the side might not have been hidden if he'd been leader now.
Would Australian voters have cared?
Australians may not have cared but there are plenty of opportunistic journalists out there that would want to run the story/stories about extracurricular activities. And they will run until it is flogged and the press gallery would then be wanting a scalp.
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What do Aussie based Ferners think of this ?
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
What do Aussie based Ferners think of this ?
Well that's a good way to further cement their economic decline. No way I'll be going back to that shithole.
Also pleased I run a VPN on my phone.
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LOL should have held the election earlier.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been told it is "very unlikely" he can convene Parliament before June 30 in a danger sign for his ability to legislate income tax cuts for millions of workers due to take effect on July 1.
The delay has forced the government to look at retrospective action to ensure ten million workers receive a tax offset in their tax returns worth up to $1080 a year and promised in the April 2 budget.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Some analysis suggesting PHON preferences had a more prominent effect than Palmer
So ON get 25% of LNP's primary vote and Tom McIlroy thinks that means Qld voted for Hanson?
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
Some analysis suggesting PHON preferences had a more prominent effect than Palmer
Considering they preferenced the LNP and considering they had to vote would they have otherwise voted Labor? I doubt it.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Considering they preferenced the LNP and considering they had to vote would they have otherwise voted Labor? I doubt it.
You could make a list of Labor seats twice as long where Greens preferences exceed the two party margin. It is meaningless - these voters are always going to preference Labor over the Coalition. This would have some merit if Labor bled votes to a centerist party or an independent candidate that otherwise could have gone their way (which ironically only happened to the Libs in Indi this election).
That said the Coalition need to take a long hard look at how independents are being deployed against them before the next election. While the Palmer/Coalition relationship in Queensland was scrutinized by the media, Labor coordinated with independents in Wentworth, Cowper, Indi and Warringah to harm the coalition in equal measure. Perhaps because it was geographically desperate or because they were independents - but this is something to watch going into the election - particularly given Get Up's involvement.
Also might be worth exploring supporting some independents in some seats that will never go for the Lib branding. They should win Warringah back in their own right next election (much like Bennelong post Howard) but inner city seats like Melbourne and Mayo that went left several cycles ago would be ideal targets.
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