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@Catogrande I'd listen to AG if you're interested. Spoke with authority. There is also some suggestion Parliament should codify Prorogation, thus eliminating newly created SC role.
Thanks, I'll try and dig it out.
The bolded bit is the thing in a nutshell. Government and Parliament are not above the law but they do make law. Accordingly if there is a law that they don't like, it is up to them to change it. I'm quite happy with that.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
The SC's new interpretation would have voided many of the Prorogations of the last 200 years.
What is your basis for saying that?
Just reading up on this. Ironically wouldn't there have been a strong argument that the 1997 prorogation stifled debate and the parliament from holding the executive to account on the Cash for Questions issue which was fresh at the time?
A very strong argument. There was uproar at the time and would possibly have been further steps taken were there not a GE due shortly thereafter.
I think that's a point here. If Parliament didn't like Prorogation convention was VONC.
That ought to have been the way forward but for the shabby maneuverings of Corbyn and co
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@Catogrande if you do, interested in your thoughts.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
The SC's new interpretation would have voided many of the Prorogations of the last 200 years.
What is your basis for saying that?
Just reading up on this. Ironically wouldn't there have been a strong argument that the 1997 prorogation stifled debate and the parliament from holding the executive to account on the Cash for Questions issue which was fresh at the time?
Bloody ironic to hear John Major almost ranting in court against BoJo for proroguing parliament for 5 weeks when he did exactly the same thing for 7 weeks,
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Thunder and fire in the HoC tonight after Parliament recalled.
Result? No change - just more shouting and treating voters with contempt.
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@MajorRage Sorry what?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I’m sure you are up on current state so don’t really follow you here?
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@MajorRage Nope no idea what line he crossed last night
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback To be clear, what I wrote above is what is being written, not my personal view. I did watch about an hour of the commons last night and it was very heated - the manner of the exchanges were not what you would expect from a parliament, but to pinpoint BoJo for that would be somewhat unfair.
Regardless though, the point is the same. Yet again, the focus has been deflected from resolving Brexit. Which was the entire subject of BoJo's speech.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
It's mirky but I think those odds are wrong. Mine:
Right wing Leave 10%
Hard Remainers 25%.
Leave with No Deal from start 25%
Leave but must have a deal 15%
Remain but just want to leave with or without deal. 10%
Remain but now on the fence 15%No clear answer but edging to a point where 50% + would support leave with no deal.
Hmmm ... I don't think you'll get close to 50% who want no-deal. We've seen in the last few months when a lot of people assumed BoJo = No Deal, just how much opposition there is to it.
I'm fairly sure Hard Remainers is considerably above 25%.
Who knows? Just going on latest polls.
Saw a poll yesterday which had leave anyhow at 49%, with 40% against and 11% undecided. Sample of 1,027!!
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Wow. Pure and unadulterated vitriol right there. Not often I'm on piers's side, but good on him calling out their shitty behaviour.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback To be clear, what I wrote above is what is being written, not my personal view. I did watch about an hour of the commons last night and it was very heated - the manner of the exchanges were not what you would expect from a parliament, but to pinpoint BoJo for that would be somewhat unfair.
Regardless though, the point is the same. Yet again, the focus has been deflected from resolving Brexit. Which was the entire subject of BoJo's speech.
I think BoJo simply said what many (most if you believe the polls) people are thinking - that the majority of MPs simply want to stop Brexit and ignore the result of the referendum but aren't honest enough to say it and don't want an election in case BoJo wins and we do leave the EU.
He was dead right to call out the the MPs who accused him of creating threats against MPs or insulting the memory of murdered MP Jo Cox as he used the term "Surrender bill" - they seemed perfectly OK calling him a dictator, for him to be decapitated and threatening an "iron fist" against him.
At the end of the day there needs to be a settlement/deal - the idea that another referendum to reverse the result or simply revoking A50 will solve anything is bonkers.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yep, spot on.
I didn't see the opening exchanges which caused it to go deep, but from what I've read / snapshots on line, it was Labour who brought up Jo Cox, not Boris.
Brendan Cox this morning said the below. Unbelievable balance from the man who was affected the most.
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My local MP, Brexit-supporting Sheryl Murray' lost her first husband who died in a fishing accident about 5 years ago.
I've heard she's received cards on the anniversary of his drowning, praising his death and attacking her Brexit stance.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
My local MP, Brexit-supporting Sheryl Murray' lost her first husband who died in a fishing accident about 5 years ago.
I've heard she's received cards on the anniversary of his drowning, praising his death and attacking her Brexit stance.
I've no doubt about that.
People are evil.
But this is a message and medium issue.
The medium is Twitter which is public for all to see and the message was unbecoming of a representative of the people.
If any non-MP had written those words in an official capacity whilst working they would have been sacked on the spot.
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