Coronavirus - New Zealand
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One of many depressing sights over the last few weeks has been our local Chinese restaurant going from needing a table booking most nights, to having about thee tables busy at best last week (and one table the week before).
Been a good excuse to buy a couple of extra Chinese takeaways lately, but...
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@Donsteppa yeah, hospitality hard hit.
Deliberately went out to a mates Indian restaurant this week, and popped into our favorite pub today to eat and drink. Tough times.
Consider buying a gift card for hospitality businesses you want to support
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@Donsteppa yeah seen a few of the sit down restaurants here looking to offer takeaway as people stay away...
Is going to be interesting to see who make it out the other end...
I am hoping my job will be safe, but you just dont know, I reckon if I lost my job, I could survive maybe 2 months with our savings, without touching my Kiwisaver (if there is anything left...)
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Doesn't help that NZ only had 200 ICU places at the start of the pandemic, so while we are scaling up as fast as we can, the capacity was at risk of being overwhelmed rapidly - apparently adequate ICU capacity is the difference between a 1% and 2% death rate.
At least from what I’ve heard they have gearing up for a number of weeks now. Phrases like going to war being used.
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That’s why Singapore has been successful so far containing the virus. They learnt from sars and planned accordingly. Increased the number of ICU beds etc
Any chance we can bang out a couple of hospitals inside a week like China did.. I mean we did have the 100,000 new homes goal long ago, surely a couple of new hospitals should be a breeze
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Doesn't help that NZ only had 200 ICU places at the start of the pandemic, so while we are scaling up as fast as we can, the capacity was at risk of being overwhelmed rapidly - apparently adequate ICU capacity is the difference between a 1% and 2% death rate.
At least from what I’ve heard they have gearing up for a number of weeks now. Phrases like going to war being used.
I heard talk like that from my surgeon mate ages ago. Thought it sounded OTT at the time... China is starting to win the war. Taiwan Singapore and South Korea have done better with aggressive action, fewer restrictions but probably much greater public cooperation. I'm not sure our country is willing to do what it takes to win which will mean a rockier time ahead. At least we are still more ahead than others like the UK and Australia so we have a chance
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am finding it interesting that even in this thread the most doomish and prepared to shut business and schools down are govt employed or have partners that are work in industries in no danger of shutting down.
Convesely the ones wanting to err on the optimistic side seem to be those who will most financially effected.Or people like me have family on both extremes.
My brother is likely going to struggle hugely from a shut down, while I’ll probably be fine. And as I work from home I don’t care about schools closing where it effects him much more.
Same with my wife.
As I’ve said, it’s a balance between crashing the economy or crashing the Heath system.
Both are serious, and hopefully we can thread the needle and avoid both. IMO if we don’t do a lockdown we drag this out for longer, with the borders shut and it hopefully still in the earlier stages we can contain outbreaks without have several lockdowns.
If we do nothing, many people die. I’m not OK with that.
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
That’s why Singapore has been successful so far containing the virus. They learnt from sars and planned accordingly.
Something that's interesting is that they never stopped temperature surveillance (due to SARS etc) at their airport. Still using thermal imaging to check for fever years later.
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@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
That’s why Singapore has been successful so far containing the virus. They learnt from sars and planned accordingly. Increased the number of ICU beds etc
Any chance we can bang out a couple of hospitals inside a week like China did.. I mean we did have the 100,000 new homes goal long ago, surely a couple of new hospitals should be a breeze
Maybe we can manage a giant temporary structure, like the Cloud?
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Forget how you feel about government motivations, these people think we are teetering on the precipice
They are the experts on the ground, I believe this is the prevailing wisdom. It won't take much to overwhelm our hospital system, I expect that the toughest measures will be enacted very shortly
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Forget how you feel about government motivations, these people think we are teetering on the precipice
They are the experts on the ground, I believe this is the prevailing wisdom. It won't take much to overwhelm our hospital system, I expect that the toughest measures will be enacted very shortly
Just dialling in from Switzerland again. Where we had, like NZ, about 50 cases about 2 weeks ago. Currently at about 6000 cases.
People just think NZ will be fine. It’s probably too late already. Should already be level 4. If you have more than 100 cases tomorrow, watch out.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Great article long, but worth reading till the end
Well it was a good article, read 2.6 million times, but it’s been taken down
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Forget how you feel about government motivations, these people think we are teetering on the precipice
They are the experts on the ground, I believe this is the prevailing wisdom. It won't take much to overwhelm our hospital system, I expect that the toughest measures will be enacted very shortly
That's pretty much where I am too. I studied economics at uni, work in finance, I totally get the impact on the economy. But I also think the government's understand this, they're not operating in an economic vacuum.
Mayne some of the data supports a more economic wait and see approach, but you wonder what else they're being told in private by the meds.
I just think we have to trust them. No sensible government wreaks economic havoc for no reason.
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With China supposedly slowly returning to normalcy, the next 4 or 5 days will give an idea how well they have done, similarly this period will give us an idea how successful the govt actions have been.
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Great article long, but worth reading till the end
Well it was a good article, read 2.6 million times, but it’s been taken down
Seems to still work here:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
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A bunch of Auckland schools have been linked to Coronavirus, which is completely unsurprising.
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Looks like we will be effectively shut down as of now. Along with most dental practices in NZ. A big shout out to all of you non-compliant fluffybunnies in the country (none of whom probably read this website), if it wasn't for you all not doing what you were told about self isolation and distancing we'd still be operational.
Don't get toothache for the next couple of weeks to months or you are farked -
Ireland calculated the increase rate as 30 % per day. NZ went from 52 to 66 = roughly 30 % increase. Expect 85 to 90 cases total tomorrow, 115 the day after, 150 the day after that and about 325 after 1 week and 2000 after 2 weeks. Don't think the "level 2" plan will work myself.