Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Has it been stated or even alluded to what success looks like after 4 weeks?
What if we have no cases, but it is still happening overseas... do we keep our borders closed?
I am guessing we would have to ? I am just not sure how NZ moves forward in 4 weeks.
Step 4 is eliminate? Ok so we manage to eliminate We will have to shut ourselves off from the rest of the world for months? Is that the plan? Is that stage 5?I think their best case scenario is wipe out the disease in 4 weeks (really dependent on everyone self isolating so this is a big if), then either closing the borders, or working harder to stop covid 19 from coming back in. They will have to work harder than the first time if they want to achieve that
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback It is a very good question, I guess the world is hoping with these lockdowns it will stop the spread. No idea what stops it ramping back up if they lower the restrictions. I assume it relies on people getting immunity to it. Now if a country such as NZ stops the spread and nobody has immunity then I have no idea what the long term outlook is.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback It is a very good question, I guess the world is hoping with these lockdowns it will stop the spread. No idea what stops it ramping back up if they lower the restrictions. I assume it relies on people getting immunity to it. Now if a country such as NZ stops the spread and nobody has immunity then I have no idea what the long term outlook is.
The theory is, if everyone isolates from each other the virus runs it's course in infected subjects then dies out due to lack of new hosts. I think they estimate that 4 weeks is enough time for this to happen, and for the disease to finish in a particular family group too. Still have to stop it coming back in from overseas
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@canefan One solution may end up being the quick test kits. They have tests that return positive for Meth/Cannabis in 5 minutes, no doubt we will have similar for Corona. Airports could create some sort of system where you can only enter if you pass the test. In theory then anybody who flys does not have the disease.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan One solution may end up being the quick test kits. They have tests that return positive for Meth/Cannabis in 5 minutes, no doubt we will have similar for Corona. Airports could create some sort of system where you can only enter if you pass the test. In theory then anybody who flys does not have the disease.
FDA looking at approving a test that returns within an hour.
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@rotated said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback Moving companies should still be functioning
Nah, they have jumped the shark on that one,. It isnt up to them it is up to the govt and then legal advice. If that company Crown packs up someone and arrives at the new address, and the people at the new address cannot move? Then you have requirement for wot be able to actually settle , lawyers are not considered an essential service.
It is incredibly irresponsible for companies like Crown to make definitive statements like that. Not surprising though, they are Chinese company so are totally into this virus thing.
Really? Is that the biggest thing we have to be worried about?
Do you know how much you can be potentially liable for not settling? It can 10% per day of sale price.
Frustration is part of NZ law no?
Genuine question, not trying to be a smart arse.
Force Majeure?
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They have pointedly not mentioned what the criteria is to lift the lockdown.
You would have to expect it would be related to the number of new cases from community transmission?
If we up our ability to handle a peak of ICU cases like the Americans are doing with hotels, and have 100,000s of test kits available, then the threshold for Level 4 should go up. Then you could watch for new outbreaks and lockdown just those locations, get it under control and rinse and repeat.
If this goes on for more than four weeks we have to be looking at nightmare scenarios for the economy.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So it will come as no surprise that I am a miserable old fit that although I have lived in the same house for 25 years have nothing to do with any of my neighbours
Anyway just got home from work and there’s something in my letterbox. It’s a ziplock with a bulb in it from a household in my street
Says hi we are x. We don’t know many of you But we live at y. We’re the 5th generation of our family to live in the house. The house and family have lived through wars, the depression good and bad times and we will get through this.
We’d love to get to know you face to face but in the meantime we’ve set up a WhatsApp group. Put yr details below and we will add you
Here’s a daffodil bulb. If you want plant it by your letterbox and in the spring it will be a sign of hope and solidarity for our little street to remind us what we’ve come through. As we have a massive street party
It’s really nice to hear something like this so I thought I’d share. I’ve even broken the habit of a lifetime and signed up. I must be sick
What's WhatsApp?
(Seriously ... )
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo group chat application linked to a phone number. It’s very popular as it’s cross platform.
I've heard and read of it but beyond that ... I'm obviously old ...
Why is it better than FB/Twitter/IG?
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo group chat application linked to a phone number. It’s very popular as it’s cross platform.
I've heard and read of it but beyond that ... I'm obviously old ...
Why is it better than FB/Twitter/IG?
Those are social networks, where you post more publicly. Whatsapp is a private, I think encrypted, group chat.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hate the UI so don’t like it very much.
That means Urinary Infection @booboo
Glad to help
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They have pointedly not mentioned what the criteria is to lift the lockdown.
When she announced four weeks (it sounds like most expected two) is there a possibility maybe that it could be lifted early? Based on the incubation period between at the two and three week mark there could be a case.
Certainly better to go face in the door with the worst case and potentially ease up early rather than extend it while people are smelling freedom. Horrible for morale.
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@rotated said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They have pointedly not mentioned what the criteria is to lift the lockdown.
When she announced four weeks (it sounds like most expected two) is there a possibility maybe that it could be lifted early? Based on the incubation period between at the two and three week mark there could be a case.
Certainly better to go face in the door with the worst case and potentially ease up early rather than extend it while people are smelling freedom. Horrible for morale.
Absolutely. Some forget that these are the exact same humans living in the same time as all of us having to make decisions on something next to no-one has lived through and certainly not in a time where populations have a higher density.
The situation is fluid and the Govt is making decisions as such. They won't get them all right but they are trying to look after the population as a whole and not looking at in small fractions (Thank Goodness)
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So it will come as no surprise that I am a miserable old fit that although I have lived in the same house for 25 years have nothing to do with any of my neighbours
Anyway just got home from work and there’s something in my letterbox. It’s a ziplock with a bulb in it from a household in my street
Says hi we are x. We don’t know many of you But we live at y. We’re the 5th generation of our family to live in the house. The house and family have lived through wars, the depression good and bad times and we will get through this.
We’d love to get to know you face to face but in the meantime we’ve set up a WhatsApp group. Put yr details below and we will add you
Here’s a daffodil bulb. If you want plant it by your letterbox and in the spring it will be a sign of hope and solidarity for our little street to remind us what we’ve come through. As we have a massive street party
It’s really nice to hear something like this so I thought I’d share. I’ve even broken the habit of a lifetime and signed up. I must be sick
That brought a tear to my eye. It's awesome to see the reactions of people in general. It is unified (in Solitary of course).
To me, for the most, it has been a very mature response from New Zealanders so far.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They have pointedly not mentioned what the criteria is to lift the lockdown.
When the rest of the world is all dead, they re-open the borders and lift the lockdown.
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One thing I was thinking of when I heard a bump in the night is what all the Criminals are going to do during this time.
They won't be able to blend in so easy, driving around and I imagine they will be slightly concerned about catching the virus too.
I imagine they are going to be slightly more aggressive in their approach with more aggravated robberies, especially for food etc.