Coronavirus - China
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - China:
Very interesting if that becomes the truth. I have seen articles explaining how it is very unlikely that Covid-19 is manufactured though, on the basis of the analysis of the virus itself. It is way too organic to be designed (or something like that)
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - China:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - China:
Very interesting if that becomes the truth. I have seen articles explaining how it is very unlikely that Covid-19 is manufactured though, on the basis of the analysis of the virus itself. It is way too organic to be designed (or something like that)
They're not claiming it was manufactured, they're saying the labs were doing testing on bat's and someone got infected with Covid-19 as a result. That seems the most likely source IMO, and helps explain why the Chinese government was so secretive about it when it broke out.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - China:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - China:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - China:
Very interesting if that becomes the truth. I have seen articles explaining how it is very unlikely that Covid-19 is manufactured though, on the basis of the analysis of the virus itself. It is way too organic to be designed (or something like that)
They're not claiming it was manufactured, they're saying the labs were doing testing on bat's and someone got infected with Covid-19 as a result. That seems the most likely source IMO, and helps explain why the Chinese government was so secretive about it when it broke out.
Cheers. I did jump to a conclusion there without reading the link. I was on my phone and couldn't click through. Self kick in the arse
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - China:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - China:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - China:
Very interesting if that becomes the truth. I have seen articles explaining how it is very unlikely that Covid-19 is manufactured though, on the basis of the analysis of the virus itself. It is way too organic to be designed (or something like that)
They're not claiming it was manufactured, they're saying the labs were doing testing on bat's and someone got infected with Covid-19 as a result. That seems the most likely source IMO, and helps explain why the Chinese government was so secretive about it when it broke out.
Maybe that article just doesn't delve into the detail but it has huge leaps of logic that lead to the next 'therefore'. Hard not to wonder how much confirmation bias is involved.
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@No-Quarter No way it was 2500. Even with the extreme lockdown measures they implemented things were already sliding by then
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - China:
@No-Quarter No way it was 2500. Even with the extreme lockdown measures they implemented things were already sliding by then
That takes it to 100,000 world wide, and 10% death toll from confirmed cases numbers (probably higher, so death rate is likely lower, but still pretty high)
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - China:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - China:
@No-Quarter No way it was 2500. Even with the extreme lockdown measures they implemented things were already sliding by then
That takes it to 100,000 world wide, and 10% death toll from confirmed cases numbers (probably higher, so death rate is likely lower, but still pretty high)
The total is high. And the speed it happened is pretty damn scary
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - China:
10% death toll from confirmed cases numbers (probably higher, so death rate is likely lower, but still pretty high)
Counter-argument was posted earlier. Research in The Economis tshows there is a massive shortfall in the number of reported COVID-19 deaths in a host of European countries. Taking historic death numbers for March and adding reported COVID deaths comes nowhere near the total number of deaths reported for March. The shortfall is about equal to the number of reported CV deaths.
Same stories coming out of US although there it is the lack of testing that is being blames for an under-reporting of COVID deaths.
So yeah there are undoubtedly a lot of unreported cases but unfortunately it also appears as if there a shitload of unreported deaths
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - China:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - China:
10% death toll from confirmed cases numbers (probably higher, so death rate is likely lower, but still pretty high)
Counter-argument was posted earlier. Research in The Economis tshows there is a massive shortfall in the number of reported COVID-19 deaths in a host of European countries. Taking historic death numbers for March and adding reported COVID deaths comes nowhere near the total number of deaths reported for March. The shortfall is about equal to the number of reported CV deaths.
Same stories coming out of US although there it is the lack of testing that is being blames for an under-reporting of COVID deaths.
So yeah there are undoubtedly a lot of unreported cases but unfortunately it also appears as if there a shitload of unreported deaths
Dont buy it. I could provide conflicting reports stating the opposite, and that's the issue, I have no proof your report is wrong, and vice versa if I show some reports. The experts are disagreeing and modeling is showing to be incredibly unreliable.
heck people cant even agree what counts as a wuflu death is, let alone tally them.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I think that's the point.
The China numbers are totally fucked but hardly anyone's can be trusted. Everyone has different testing regimes, the US had hardly done any testing (proportionately) before they had community transmission - some cases are still only testing hospitalised patients.
That's what Bloomfield said today - the fact the we are now testing much more but the number of cases is stable is good news and suggests that while it is out in the community not to a massive extent.
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Dug this one out of the archives. Even @Baron-Silas-Greenback was around!
Any idea what's happening @Tim ?
This was just the last reference I found to it but they all state in that there aren't any new / different pathogens (if you believe China). Interesting that it could be a semi anticipated side effect of lockdowns, it comes and gets you anyway.
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Woman at work is heading back to China this week for first time in years. She has been told 'almost everyone' has Covid.
She had it last Christmas and isn't looking forward to a second year of sickness if as she has been told is very likely she gets sick as soon as she touches down.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - China:
Dug this one out of the archives. Even @Baron-Silas-Greenback was around!
Any idea what's happening @Tim ?
This was just the last reference I found to it but they all state in that there aren't any new / different pathogens (if you believe China). Interesting that it could be a semi anticipated side effect of lockdowns, it comes and gets you anyway.
Relax isolation rules after a couple of years and what do you expect? Similar trend to the rest of the world I'd expect
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - China:
Relax isolation rules after a couple of years and what do you expect?
As I said, semi expected. Don't think that they were expecting quite such a kick back as to fill the hospitals.
@dogmeat That's the problem ay. Do you just go knowing that you will get it and put up with it? Or never go again because we are likely to be stuck with it forever in one form or another. I'm in the former camp, but can understand other points of view, particularly for those with a weaker constitution.
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@Snowy After 3 years of lock-down they are having their bad flu season (cold, flu, RSV), but a year later than NZ.
Everyone has a cold or something right now, including me. Haven't heard of COVID cases recently. The 2nd wave here was in the summer.
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been plenty of covid about up here but mostly pretty mild in terms of impact - isn't it the case that the Chinese vaccine wasn't as effective and so when they finally came out of lock down, the impact is bigger than in the West and more people end up in hospital?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - China:
The Chinese were always more paranoid about COVID cases being hospitalised, if it seemed necessary or not. Their vaccine was apparently less effective, but if their mortality rate is not high I guess it's doing its job
true, however if it still results in people getting sicker and using up healthcare resource its still a problem. the bit lots of people seem totally unwilling to remember is that lock downs and vaccines were as important to protecting vital health care resource as about stopping people dying from Covid.