Coronavirus - Overall
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
UK numbers quite terrifying at the moment, but hopefully the peak is near, if not passed. I really wish all governments would publish consistent numbers so we could get a real idea. Infections is such a crap one, as it's only those tested and with variability across methods & accessibility they are basically useless.
I would publish
- Those in hospital due to Covid
- Those in ICU due to Covid
- New ICU admissions
- ICU departures (not to the morgue)
- Covid deaths
- Other deaths
I see Andrew Neil posted a tweet this morning showing a spike in deaths overall. This is obviously a tough read, however, I'll be interested to see where these numbers are in 6 months time. I suspect there will be a drop off.
Two problems:
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This data isn't available, at least daily; and
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In making international comparisons (and trying to draw conclusions from the data) keeping the criteria as simlar as possible is key.
Indeed, although I would have thought it wouldn't the too much work to get numbers 1-4 sorted in any developed world.
For your second point, absolutely. This is a bit broken record of me but here, if you have symptoms, you don't even go to hospital, less get tested!!
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Pretty sure behind the doors the real strategy in the UK is herd immunity.
That's the only medium-long term solution really. Lockdowns are being used to control/stretch out the spread of the virus to endure medical services aren't being over-run and protect the really vulnerable groups.
Mass vaccination is simply herd immunity under another name. And even with the Flu vaccine, 17,000 people due of Flu every year in the UK.
i guess thats the NZ fear. Shut it down, eradicate it ... but then how can you ever reopen it?
What happens if there's another outbreak and only a small % of the population have caught it and are immune? What happens then - do you have another lock-down and will people accept that?
I do wonder if a slow move into lockdown followed by a staged move out may be the best way of managing things and balancing economic costs/protecting people. No-one really knows
It's a tricky one and knee-jerk reactions may be initially popular and show political will and decisiveness, but often don't work out. E.g. when Blair introduced draconian gun laws in the UK post Dunblane, there was a big increase in firearms use by criminals. They dropped once the laws were relaxed.
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@Victor-Meldrew That that piece of Blair Grandstanding always made me chuckle. Hamilton broke the gun laws and Blair brings in new gun laws. It wasn't the laws you twat it was the perpetrator. Or would he have looked at the new laws and then said "You know what? I don't think I fancy it so much now".
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew That that piece of Blair Grandstanding always made me chuckle. Hamilton broke the gun laws and Blair brings in new gun laws. It wasn't the laws you twat it was the perpetrator. Or would he have looked at the new laws and then said "You know what? I don't think I fancy it so much now".
I've been impressed with the general lack of grandstanding here in the UK in this crisis. A few twats but politicians generally acting in a sensible, mature way. Good to see.
Some of the media in the other hand...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Victor-Meldrew That that piece of Blair Grandstanding always made me chuckle. Hamilton broke the gun laws and Blair brings in new gun laws. It wasn't the laws you twat it was the perpetrator. Or would he have looked at the new laws and then said "You know what? I don't think I fancy it so much now".
I've been impressed with the general lack of grandstanding here in the UK in this crisis. A few twats but politicians generally acting in a sensible, mature way. Good to see.
Some of the media in the other hand...
Yeah, mostly good by the polls. I thought Starmer's stance immediately post his victory stating that he wouldn't politicise the crisis was sort on, until of course he did just that.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I thought Starmer's stance immediately post his victory stating that he wouldn't politicise the crisis was sort on, until of course he did just that.
He pretty much rowed back on his PPE comments though, to be fair
Mind you he has enough problems with the leaks from the Labour Party..
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@barbarian to be fair you've misquoted the author.
"Perhaps a hysteria has gripped the nation, at extraordinary cost, when we’re telling each other to take special care over a disease that in three months has killed about 60, in the main quite unwell elderly people."That's not an unreasonable opening sentence. Toilet paper was hysteria
In a sense I did, but he also finishes the article with 'The Prime Minister has said COVID-19 is akin to a one-in-100-year event. It’s unlikely that’s true of the virus, but it’s looking true of damage caused by hysteria.'
It's a word he used a few times, and I don't think it's particularly apt in any political context. Not yet, anyway.
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Good move I reckon. At least until they've investigated them.
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@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
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worldwide total infected will soon hit 2,000,000
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
Those 2 words are synonyms, I even went to the dictionary to check.
Your post sounds like govt PR spin. Swap elimination with eradication in your sentence and vice versa and nothing changes. -
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage have we seen the nz govt say it's an eradication goal? I haven't caught that anywhere as yet.
I think the NZ goal is elimination, not eradication, as people will still travel here with it from time to time (and be quarantined on arrival).
How many people do you think will extend their planned business trip or holiday by two weeks?
can i lock in A. zero thanks Eddie