Coronavirus - Overall
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@booboo Money and control booboo. Money and control. The sooner you wake up and realise this the better.
Don't be one of the sheeple. Dig deeper, the truth is hidden but its out there
You know that. I know that. @booboo needs to educate himself.
A cure for a deadly disease that people will make money out of?
Nup. Still don't get it.
Sharpen up
Ummm ...
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Maybe Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine. And Fauci and co wrong
But this is the great thing about the information age. People can be exposed to both sides. Sadly many still refuse to embrace the challenge of researching a topic and then thinking for themselves. But more and more are.
The latest international testing of hydroxychloroquine treatment of coronavirus shows countries that had early use of the drug had a 79% lower mortality rate than countries that banned the use of the safe malaria drug. This means that Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, the liberal fake news media and the tech giants have been pushing a lie that has had deadly consequences!
Can you please explain why anyone would want to bury an effective treatment for a deadly disease?
maybe money. Or incompetence. Certainly its something that needs to be looked at.
America's death rate from COVID in fact is shockingly high, hitting 150,000 as of July 29, while other countries, which have also been hit by the pandemic, such as Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Turkey, Morocco, Malaysia, and Costa Rica, plus European countries such as Switzerland, have got the matter well under control, with no comparable death counts. The difference is in their use of HCQ, or hydroxychloroquine. And those are mostly well developed or high-middle-income countries. What's really shocking is that third-world hellholes are doing better, too, if they can get their hands on and use HCQ. The U.S., under Fauci, has been left in the dust. Here in our country, Fauci continued to ignore the ever accumulating and remarkable early-use data on hydroxychloroquine and he became focused on a new antiviral compound named remdesivir. This was an experimental drug that had to be given intravenously every day for five days. It was never suitable for major widespread outpatient or at-home use as part of a national pandemic plan. We now know now that remdesivir has no effect on overall COVID patient mortality and it costs thousands of dollars per patient. Hydroxychloroquine, by contrast, costs 60 cents a tablet, it can be taken at home, it fits in with the national pandemic plan for respiratory viruses, and a course of therapy simply requires swallowing three tablets in the first 24 hours followed by one tablet every 12 hours for five days. There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections. There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results â and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect. Of the remaining four studies, two come from the same University of Minnesota author. The other two are from the faulty Brazil paper, which should be retracted, and the fake Lancet paper, which was.
It's probably going to be hard for President Trump to find a way to fire this guy, but the picture emerging is extremely disturbing. Fauci's suppression of hydroxychloroquine studies, his odd devotion to the new and profitable drug Remdesivir (which we have noted many NIH officials hold monetary stakes in), and Fauci's earlier papers from years back touting the importance of hydroxychloroquine on other kinds of COVID viruses paint a damning picture of what is going on, a horrible confluence of financial interests and a desire to extend the pandemic to Get Trump at a huge cost of lives.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger Money? Really? I don't know about you, but if I had a cure for covid19 and I wanted to get rich I would be selling it to all and everyone as quickly as possible
Kinda my point earlier dude :).
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https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/
you are fucking lucky you didn't just post "interesting" and the link
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also, i have now read that article, and strongly endorse it, because i like the slant it takes, and desperately want it to be true.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger Money? Really? I don't know about you, but if I had a cure for covid19 and I wanted to get rich I would be selling it to all and everyone as quickly as possible
this was my point earlier in the thread....im no economist...just a humble engineer....but my limited understanding is you make money form selling stuff...and easy to produce stuff is often where you make the most profit
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@mariner4life problem is, you still need the whole world to brush it off and continue trading, travelling etc for it to not have an impact on the economy.
But we know the whole world is pretty well fucked right now in so many ways that whatever way they dealt with it, they are just collateral damage to the fallout.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
I'm pretty sure that Public Health England does have a 'once a covid positive, always a covid death' methodology.
The Govt has asked it to produce corrected figures.
Don't hold your breath!
@Rapido says not. I would like to know the sauce if only to shut up some idiot of a conspiracy theorist I know. Mind you he'll probably say it's all part of the grand plan
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You really do yourself a disservice just linking bogus sites that make shit up simply because they support your pet theories. Sorry but you come across as the stereotype of someone that exists in their cozy little echo chamber getting more and more paranoid.
I couldn't be assed rebutting every example so I went to the easiest. Singapore has not successfully "got the matter well under control, with no comparable death counts...(by)... their use of HCQ, or hydroxychloroquine".
From the Straits Times
Singapore does not plan to use hydroxychloroquine to treat patients with Covid-19, even though the World Health Organisation (WHO) plans to restart the trial of this drug.
"There is no proper study that shows hydroxychloroquine works," said Associate Professor David Lye, director of the Infectious Disease Research and Training Office at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID).
The drug, originally developed to treat malaria, has been in the limelight, given the strong endorsement by US President Donald Trump, who claims he is taking it to stave off Covid-19.A recent article in The Lancet journal - stating that the drug causes side effects and has no benefits based on information it claimed came from an international study - caused WHO to stop its trials of the drug.
But WHO said the trial will now restart following a retraction by the medical journal after the veracity of the paper was called into question.
But these decisions will not affect the treatment for Covid-19 patients in Singapore.Prof Lye told The Straits Times: "There is increasing evidence that antimalarial drugs do not work. We have stopped using it at NCID for quite a while now."
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat Yes but Donald took a pill and he hasnât had Covid.
Maybe it only works on children?
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Iran.
Authorities in Iran have shut down a newspaper after it published remarks by an expert who said that official figures on the countryâs coronavirus outbreak only account for 5% of the real toll, according to the Associated Press.
Mohammad Reza Sadi, the editor-in-chief of Jahane Sanat, told the official IRNA news agency that authorities closed his newspaper, which began publishing in 2004 and was mainly focused on business news.
On Sunday, the daily quoted Mohammad Reza Mahboobfar, an epidemiologist the paper said had worked on the governmentâs anti-coronavirus campaign, as saying the true number of cases and deaths in Iran could be 20 times the number reported by the health ministry.
He also said the virus was detected in Iran a month earlier than 19 February, when authorities announced the first confirmed case. He said they held up the announcement until after the commemorations of the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and parliamentary elections earlier that month.
âThe administration resorted to secrecy for political and security reasons,â he said, and only provided âengineered statisticsâ to the public.
Authorities in Iran have come under heavy criticism since the start of the pandemic because of their reluctance to impose the kind of sweeping restrictions seen elsewhere in the region. The country has suffered the deadliest outbreak in the Middle East.
Few days ago, reports on leaked data showing only reporting about a third of real numbers.
This say only 5%. But tbh, that is starting to sound a bit far fetched to me.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido any idea what the reported figures are?
18k deaths, 328k cases.
From earlier in thread.
the BBC says COVID-19 deaths in the Middle Eastern country are nearly three times what Iran claims - 42,000 deaths by July 20, but the Health Ministry reported 14,405.
Similarly, the infection rate was twice as large. The Health Ministry reported 278,827, but the documents the BBC obtained recorded 451,024 infections.
In addition, the first COVID-19 death in Iran happened on January 22, according to the BBC-obtained medical records. Iran, however, did not report a COVID-19 death until almost a month later.
Some graphs in the article.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Singapore does not plan to use hydroxychloroquine to treat patients with Covid-19
I said it needs to be looked at. As I don't trust the first article I find (as you seem to with your article)
Re your article. Has (the very expensive) remdesivir been proven to work. And why hasn't it worked in the US. And if it works why the ongoing lockdown? And from what I understand this drug does have side effects worse than hydroxychloroquine.
To date, there has been only one drug, remdesivir, that has been proven to work in patients with Covid-19, he said. Remdesivir is a new, broad-spectrum antiviral medication that has been given emergency-use authorisation for Covid-19 patients by the Food and Drug Administration in the United States on May 1.
And why are all these side effects suddenly occurring now. Its been used for years. I once took an earlier model. Just maybe this paper has an interest in promoting one drug and rubbishing another (much cheaper) one.
My view is this whole subject needs to be looked at by a truly independent body (if this is possible considerng how powerful big pharma is).
He added that other trials of hydroxychloroquine have shown no benefit to Covid-19 patients **but have caused side effects.** He said that a small number of patients here who were given the drug experienced gastrointestinal intolerance, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, and discomfort in the upper abdomen below the ribs.
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@Winger I only referenced the Straits Times because they directly quoted the Head of Singapore's NAID.
All I do know is you are quoting American Thinker
Here are some more quotes from that blog
"PepsiCo, who make Doritos (through subsidiary Frito-Lay), are producing a homosexual version of Doritos called "Rainbow Doritos." Doritos are a product marketed to children, so they make the perfect gateway snack to introduce children to the joys of homosexuality".
"If you know the story of Emmet Till, you know that in 1955, whites killed a black boy for allegedly flirtatiously addressing a white woman. Why? Because there exists in the American psyche a powerful urge to protect the honor of women, and especially white women."
"The left is composed of horrible people. Most sane people realize this, even if they have friends on the dark side."
"There is nothing in Obamaâs head that is American. He is an antithetical American, a polar opposite of its values that he is routinely undermining. He is an unabashed member of the transtribal supertribe that Muhammad created 1,400 years ago; he is of the umma, not of America. "
Not a source I'd be in a hurry to quote except as I have, to illustrate it's own particular brand of lunacy.
I also don't know why you've suddenly started asking me about remdesevir but here's the latest update from Gilead which sounds promising.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat are... are you really bored?
Does give you insight into where winger's head is at